63% of Muslims in Hyderabad are officially POOR - similar numbers seen across india's major cities. Should they receive more quotas?

[someone]

4 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

You haven't the foggiest. Read up on the case. It has been going on much before the advent of the BJP as a mainstream national party.

The SC passed the judgement (Shah Bano and others vs Union of India) circa August 2017. Inspite of this, there were multiple cases of 3T through out the country. That is when the government decided to formulate the bill in the parliament, that criminalizes 3T.

 

Your statements that Muslim women have done nothing in this case is a complete lie. Muslim women have been at the forefront of this case much before Advani started his rath yatra and probably when Sholay was still running at Eros cinema.

Many old issues in the country , but who has actually solved it and brought to a close? In this case, it was BJP. Similar case with Article 370, Ram Mandir.

 

The government made the bill, and yet the support among women was relatively weak. Thus, the women failed to protect their own selves. It was also embarrassing to watch some women calling 3T as rightful.

[Mariyam]

On 4/30/2020 at 12:03 AM, someone said:

Many old issues in the country , but who has actually solved it and brought to a close? In this case, it was BJP. Similar case with Article 370, Ram Mandir.

 

The government made the bill, and yet the support among women was relatively weak. Thus, the women failed to protect their own selves. It was also embarrassing to watch some women calling 3T as rightful.

I find it rather strange that you find the contribution of the many women who fought and won this case as irrelevant but want to big up the bill that the BJP tabled in parliament on the back of this judgement.

 

Chronology samjhiye.

 

If the SC ( which is not the BJP, #justsaying) had not struck down the triple talaq, there would be no bill in the parliament to discuss.

 

And there is a difference between the Bill tabled and what the SC said. The Bill calls for criminilization of the 3T practice. That is what the BJP pushed for.

A retributive criminal proceeding against what is essentially a civil contract ( ie marriage). 

You clearly aren't interested in the actual case, its nuances or the underlying law behind it. So I am not going to expound on any of that.

What you want to do is apportion credit to the BJP.

Yes, some credit due to them for seeing a retributive piece of legislation through in the parliament. But the bulk of the credit goes to the courts and hundreds of women who have fought this case over the years. Interestingly, no one from the BJP or the extended Sangh parivar have lent any support(legal)to any of these women during the proceeding of this case.

 

If I had to give a cricketing analogy, the BJP's role in the entire episode is that of Sreesanth in that T20 final we won. He took the final catch. But the hard work was all done by Irfan Pathan and Gautam Gambhir.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Mariyam

[Vilander]

Too many kids.

[Vilander]

16 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Yes, some credit due to them for seeing a retributive piece of legislation through in the parliament.

So you are crediting bjp for muslim women rights act. Good. 

[Vilander]

On 4/29/2020 at 2:33 PM, someone said:

It was also embarrassing to watch some women calling 3T as rightful.

Same crowd that claims head scarfs and burka are liberating for women..lol.

[Mariyam]

10 minutes ago, Vilander said:

So you are crediting bjp for muslim women rights act. Good. 

Ofcourse. They tabled the bill. They ensured that it passed. Think that the BJP manifesto mentioned this. It definitely does the UCC for which this is a precursor of sorts.

Point is the bill was tabled on the backs of a judgement passed. And that is where the real fight was.

And the BJP did not partake in that fight. Or any other party or their legal wings.

 

The BJP definitely didn't miss the chance to photo bomb in the end credits though, and claim most of the credit.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Mariyam

[Vilander]

2 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

BJP definitely didn't miss the chance to photo bomb in the end credits though, and claim most of the credit

Agree

[Straight Drive]

Only male earners in most Muslim families reduces the income.

 

The count of people dependent on one earning man is apparently more in the community.

 

Lack of education is another issue.

 

In short a very casual and mis-calculated approach towards life.

 

The wiser ones amongst the minority have started to let their wives work, avoid 3 or more kids and educate their kids in good schools rather than the traditional madrassas. The more such families prosper the more the deprived from minority community will be influenced to change their approach. It seems to have a very sliw influence though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

On 5/1/2020 at 12:05 PM, Straight Drive said:

The wiser ones amongst the minority have started to let their wives work, avoid 3 or more kids and educate their kids in good schools rather than the traditional madrassas. The more such families prosper the more the deprived from minority community will be influenced to change their approach. It seems to have a very sliw influence though.

That and that somehow they should stop wanting world dominance and resistance to reform etc. Its stupid and leads to several world issues including radical islam.

[someone]

On 5/2/2020 at 12:05 AM, Straight Drive said:

The wiser ones amongst the minority have started to let their wives work, avoid 3 or more kids and educate their kids in good schools rather than the traditional madrassas. The more such families prosper the more the deprived from minority community will be influenced to change their approach. It seems to have a very sliw influence though.

And yet when it comes to actual issues like women rights, law & order, these "wiser" ones choose to be quiet or inexplicit support those groups. A reason of little reforms is because the wiser ones aren't vocal or are content with extremist religious views.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

On 5/1/2020 at 10:54 AM, Mariyam said:

Interestingly, no one from the BJP or the extended Sangh parivar have lent any support(legal)to any of these women during the proceeding of this case.

 

 

How could they? They have no authority within the muslim population. the real community leaders (mullahs) and politicians who appeal to the muslim vote are aligned with the secularist parties.

 

Any RSS-led outreach is viewed with suspicion. When vidya bharati tries to educate muslim children, the secularist parties complain of indoctrination. They don't want to lose muslims as a reliable vote-bloc. That's a sad reality, and it creates the conditions for muslims to remain on the fringes of society.

 

On 4/29/2020 at 2:00 PM, Mariyam said:

I had posted this earlier too, I think in response to you.  I shall re-post once again for your benefit, cause you are simply ill informed on the triple talaq case.

 

 

 

 

 

But Congress also supported the triple talaq abolition. They realize that its difficult to argue in favor of minority empowerment when muslim women are confined by a prehistoric, male-dominated doctrine.

 

You're also ignoring the vocal opposition to 3T by large swathes of the muslim community. they treated it as a violation of their religious freedom, and against the secular character of india.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

Looks like the 'sachar committee' was headed by an eminent intellectual linked to an organization serving as an ISI front...

https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/indian-scribes-intellectuals-linked-with-fai/728447

 

You couldn't make this up...

 

and congress has now completely disowned the sachar report to pursue its own 'soft hindutva':

 

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And then, the story of Sachar Report gets a new twist in recent years. The Congress has completely disassociated itself from it. The party’s manifestos for the recent assembly elections are virtually silent about the recommendations of the Sachar Report. The leaders of the party are now very careful about the use of the word Muslim. For instance, the Madhya Pradesh election manifesto (which is called vachan patr) employs the term aplsakhyak (minorities) for addressing Muslims and clubs it with pichra varg (backward classes) in order to make a few general promises about their development in the state.

The Sachar Report, it turns out, can now certainly be described as a context-driven political project of the Congress, which has lost its symbolic electoral capability. The Congress does not want to rely on the narrative of Muslim victimhood because it might upset its own version of Hindutva.

https://theprint.in/opinion/bjp-is-more-interested-in-sachar-report-on-muslims-than-congress-now/155367/

 

 

[Sandeep99]

On 4/23/2020 at 7:47 PM, JMT321 said:

‘46% Muslims in urban India self-employed’

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/46-muslims-in-urban-india-self-employed/article23115166.ece#

 

The complete opposite to what you said is actually true. Muslims tend to focus too much on business and commerce and not enough on education. . It's more common for Muslim kids in school to drop out and support their family business than other communities. This happens because they need to support their family due to poverty etc.

As for 'level of IQ' maybe you should check out India's average IQ and compare it to most Muslim countries level of IQ.

This group is really good at opening puncture shops.. this I give to them

[Mariyam]

1 hour ago, Sandeep99 said:

This group is really good at opening puncture shops.. this I give to them

Witty repartee. 

 

How original!

[gattaca]

First is population control. Hindus were similar before had big families later realized it is not sustainable.  The problem with other community is they believe in numbers which is the downfall. When you have a big family your wealth will be split. If they can control the population they can come out of poverty. 

[Khota]

Every poor person in India should get government supprt irrespective of their religion.

[nikred]

Every poor person in India should get government supprt irrespective of their religion.

Oh absolutely. KCR is giving 10 lakhs each to around 12k dalit families even if he doesn't have funds to pay the government employees their salary and pensions for this month. Give to the "oppressed" by punching the guts of the middle class.

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[Khota]

3 minutes ago, nikred said:

Oh absolutely. KCR is giving 10 lakhs each to around 12k dalit families even if he doesn't have funds to pay the government employees their salary and pensions for this month. Give to the "oppressed" by punching the guts of the middle class.

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You cannot leave a whole segment of population behind.

[kepler37b]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Every poor person in India should get government supprt irrespective of their religion.

Only if they are willing to spend that support for improving the quality of their life. Having free money and breeding at alarming rates to dominate a society is plain barbarism.

[Sandeep99]

15 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Witty repartee. 

 

How original!

Just stating the facts