'Delhi Chalo' movement/farmers protest

[FischerTal]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

And your sources are?

 

have u been following the protests? the "farmers" protesting are mainly from Punjab and Haryana, with minor numbers from a couple more states.

Edited December 28, 2020 by FischerTal

[FischerTal]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

And BD per capita GDP>India.

 

you are comparing BD with India... a country that sends its own migrants in droves to India to look for employment. 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by FischerTal

[ravishingravi]

52 minutes ago, Khota said:

Legal/contracts have no meaning as arbitration cannot go to court. Why are courts being bypassed???

 

There biggest fear is mandis as they know it will disappear.

 

I agree farmers need to be educated better but the first sep is trust. If you start calling people whose sons/fathers have laid down their life for India as terrorist than that is not a good starting point.

 

This is coming from someone who is a big fan of Modi and wants him to be successful. These things are done incrementally not overnight. That is how India operates. 

 

Let us start by cutting waste in PSU's etc. atleast these farmers work 10 hrs a day whereas a government employee barely works 10 hrs a week.

I think you are simply avoiding the issue. For the love of god, why I can’t figure out. 
 

arbitration is part of Indian contract act which cannot be coerced. Also, I think you overestimate the potential of agriculture for Adani / Ambani. Why will they leave their high margin business to deal with non sense low margin agricultural issues. 
 

Again I want to simple questions answered. 
 

How is the farmer worse off ? 
 

MSP remains 

he can still sell in mandi. He can in fact sell in more markets. 
how will farmers income reduce ?
 

So I am not surprised that it’s one state that is creating issue and that one state happens to be Punjab. 

[Singh bling]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

Again I want to simple questions answered. 
 

How is the farmer worse off ? 
 

MSP remains 

he can still sell in mandi. He can in fact sell in more markets. 
how will farmers income reduce ?
 

So I am not surprised that it’s one state that is creating issue and that one state happens to be Punjab. 

I think KCR has answered your question

Government not a rice or dal miller’: KCR’s sharp U-turn on farm laws

The government cannot do it anymore. It is not a business organisation or trader. It is not a rice miller or a dal miller. Sale and purchase are not the responsibility of the government. It is not possible to set up a purchase centre in the village from next year onwards,” read an official statement from the chief minister’s office.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/government-not-a-rice-or-dal-miller-kcr-s-sharp-u-turn-on-farm-laws/story-5YhXPdWSi0YUoUBF0200bO_amp.html

From next year Telengana farmers will be at mercy of traders.  Government will not set up purchase centres. Even if MSP will be announced it will be on papers as it will not be easily available.

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

I think you are simply avoiding the issue. For the love of god, why I can’t figure out. 
 

arbitration is part of Indian contract act which cannot be coerced. Also, I think you overestimate the potential of agriculture for Adani / Ambani. Why will they leave their high margin business to deal with non sense low margin agricultural issues. 
 

Again I want to simple questions answered. 
 

How is the farmer worse off ? 
 

MSP remains 

he can still sell in mandi. He can in fact sell in more markets. 
how will farmers income reduce ?
 

So I am not surprised that it’s one state that is creating issue and that one state happens to be Punjab. 

 

The response will be, I was a Modi supporter. Now, He is an Oligarch maker of Adani and Ambani, Farmers are poor. These new laws will make farmers more poor. I am sharing these propaganda videos to prove that. 

[coffee_rules]

20 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

I think KCR has answered your question

Government not a rice or dal miller’: KCR’s sharp U-turn on farm laws

The government cannot do it anymore. It is not a business organisation or trader. It is not a rice miller or a dal miller. Sale and purchase are not the responsibility of the government. It is not possible to set up a purchase centre in the village from next year onwards,” read an official statement from the chief minister’s office.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/government-not-a-rice-or-dal-miller-kcr-s-sharp-u-turn-on-farm-laws/story-5YhXPdWSi0YUoUBF0200bO_amp.html

From next year Telengana farmers will be at mercy of traders.  Government will not set up purchase centres. Even if MSP will be announced it will be on papers as it will not be easily available.

 

This is exactly opposite of what the Ph farmers are demanding, they want Govt to setup MSP for all crops and vegetables, Govt to set up more APMCs and buy the crops and vegetables at MSP and stored in FCI godowns to rot. 

[SteveFire]

These Laws are made by Two Gujaratis Modi and Shah for two other Gujaratis Adani and Ambani to make farmers community slave and provide cheap Produce to their Industries.

 

And these online Bhakts have no Idea how big this revolution is on the ground. There is a reason Maun Modi is running around doing online Kisan rallies and visiting Gurudwaras. This is a man who used to be mum on all other protests. 
 

And yes Punjab and Haryana people have resolve and guts to fight does not matter if its the Border, Sports or for their rights.

 

Farmers on one side have one strong stand to take these Laws back and on the other hand Modi government is ready for making amendments and then also calling these farmers Khalistanis, Naxal, tukde tukde and Mislead.  This shows government is as confused ad common Modi Bhakt.

 

And these some crazy Bhakts asking for Army to end this Revolution will start the end of Modi. You cant mess up with two crucial border states who has a strong presence in Army and are fighters.  
 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by SteveFire

[FischerTal]

so much imaginary pressure on govt, yet it categorically says it wont take back laws lol 

 

[SteveFire]

6 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

so much imaginary pressure on govt, yet it categorically says it wont take back laws lol 

 

Why the government wants to make amendments if its doesnt feel

the pressure? Some more pressure in coming few weeks and government will fall in line. 

[speedheat]

10 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

so much imaginary pressure on govt, yet it categorically says it wont take back laws lol 

 

And that is why they are called fascist.

 

[Singh bling]

41 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

This is exactly opposite of what the Ph farmers are demanding, they want Govt to setup MSP for all crops and vegetables, Govt to set up more APMCs and buy the crops and vegetables at MSP and stored in FCI godowns to rot. 

All demands of PH farmers are not legitimate. May be they are saying this just for bargaining to maintain status quo.

[FischerTal]

2 minutes ago, speedheat said:

And that is why they are called fascist.

 

 

because they dont need to bow down to middlemen

[SteveFire]

2 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

 

because they dont need to bow down to middlemen

Government already has bowed down to bigger middlemen Ambani and Adani.  

[FischerTal]

3 minutes ago, SteveFire said:

Why the government wants to make amendments if its doesnt feel

the pressure? Some more pressure in coming few weeks and government will fall in line. 

 

govt is not taking back the laws. they have made that clear and no amount of protesting will change that. 

[SteveFire]

3 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

 

govt is not taking back the laws. they have made that clear and no amount of protesting will change that. 

Repeating again why are they ready to make amendments to these laws with just this much amount of pressure? Little more pressure and government will do a Sarvarkar. Its in the blood.

Edited December 28, 2020 by SteveFire

[FischerTal]

Just now, SteveFire said:

Government already has bowed down to bigger middlemen Ambani and Adani.  

 

they wont bow down to the middlemen squatting at Delhi border. 

[SteveFire]

Just now, FischerTal said:

 

they wont bow down to the middlemen squatting at Delhi border. 

Farmers know this  a government which already has bowed down to Ambani and Adanis so it will bow down to them as well. 
 

 

[FischerTal]

58 minutes ago, SteveFire said:

Repeating again why are they ready to make amendments to these laws with just this amount much amount of pressure? Little more pressure and government will do a Sarvarkar. Its in the blood.

 

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Edited December 28, 2020 by FischerTal

[FischerTal]

1 minute ago, SteveFire said:

Farmers know this  a government which already has bowed down to Ambani and Adanis so it will bow down to them as well. 
 

 

 

Middlemen know the govt is not listening to their main demand so now they resorted to vandalism in their own state, which will be repaid back by Punjab state govt.

[SteveFire]

Just now, FischerTal said:

 

lol bhindiwale and their superiority complex. these 3 laws wont be taken back. the amendments are thrown as bones which govt knows middlemen wont accept anyways since their purpose is to repeal all 3 laws. 

 Restored to name calling and running away from a fact based civil discussion.

Again you being a Gujarati I am not surprised.

 

On one side Farmers are standing firm on their demands its your Modi and Shah which are nervous and running to Gurudwara and eating at farmer house to release some heat.

 Have not seen farmers backing down or nervous its the Modi and Shah.