The seasonal "Sachin was not that great" thread.

[Real McCoy]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Only if the 'critic' fabricates silliness to hype up Dravid relative to Tendy, when the unambiguous reality is that Dravid is and was a Bajaj compared to a BMW.

If RD is Bajaj, then SRT is Bullet. all noise but no substance and always in repair mode. Bajaj is more reliable

[zen]

39 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

If RD is Bajaj, then SRT is Bullet. all noise but no substance and always in repair mode. Bajaj is more reliable

Anyone who is as good or better than Tendulkar is a villain for some of these guys (antique specimens now) 

Edited January 5, 2021 by zen

[sandeep]

23 hours ago, zen said:

Anyone who is as good or better than Tendulkar is a villain for some of these guys (antique specimens now) 

oh look, a dude obsessed with 1960s James Bond 'acshun' movies is calling others 'antique specimens'.    

Edited January 6, 2021 by sandeep

[sandeep]

23 hours ago, Gambit said:

 And this has been done by excluding other batting positions for others like Dravid. This is some level of creativity to find some permutation/combination to show Tendulkar as inferior.  Wonder how Dravid fared in Australia against McGrath and Warne.   The andhbhakti is real.

Dravid consistently shat himself both home and away in the 90s against McWarne - that top Aussie side figured out his limited batting, blocked off his usual scoring areas and were able to scalp him for low scores, predictably.  That is why John Wright made the drastic move of demoting him from #3 to #6.  It was a major move, pregnant with meaning. Dravid was memorably sledged in that famous Kolkata test by Aussies about how once you go from #3 to 6, then its out of the team.  Dravid should be eternally grateful to VVS for allowing him to prosper in his chatrachaaya on that memorable day.  Probably saved his career.  

 

To be fair, Dravid continued to evolve as a batsman and went on to become a much higher quality batsman later on.  But for 6+ years after his debut, he was a Bajaj next to the Tendy BMW.  Or should I say Ferrari.

Edited January 6, 2021 by sandeep

[putrevus]

Dravid gets lot of love as this great overseas performer. I don't think he was that great in any country other than England, his last series in England where  his scores never mattered in outcome of the result.2003-04 Australian series he had a mega test in Adelaide. That year was his greatest year and I don't think he ever repeated that performance both home or away.

 

To compare him with Sachin is ridculous.

 

 

[sandeep]

47 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dravid gets lot of love as this great overseas performer. I don't think he was that great in any country other than England, his last series in England where  his scores never mattered in outcome of the result.2003-04 Australian series he had a mega test in Adelaide. That year was his greatest year and I don't think he ever repeated that performance both home or away.

 

To compare him with Sachin is ridculous.

 

 

 

There's a reasonable argument to be made that the 2000s decade allowed a whole bunch of fair-weather boot-fillers - Yousuf Youhana, Kallis, etc to pile on big runs and bolster their batting averages quite a bit.  Now I'm not trying to take too much away from Dravid, he really did step up his game from the late 90s and was much improved, and a world class batsman.  But to take his 'best' years in the 2000s, and compare it to Tendulkar, who at the time was past 15+ years as a test batsman, and a shadow of his primetime 'peak' post elbow injury, is silly.  But that's always been the  case with almost ALL of these Sachin comparisons.  Folks take Tendy's bad years, or take a cumulative cherry-picked snapshot that emphasizes his post-prime years, and stack it up against a contender's 'best' prime years. 

 

Whether its a Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Amla, - the list keeps going on.  Just one side of the comparison stays the same.  The legend with the bulls-eye on his back for some little children out to prove how 'very smart' a cricket fan they are.  All the while betraying their lack of basic grasp in terms of evaluating batting skill and ability.  

[zen]

17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

There's a reasonable argument to be made that the 2000s decade allowed a whole bunch of fair-weather boot-fillers - Yousuf Youhana, Kallis, etc to pile on big runs and bolster their batting averages quite a bit.  Now I'm not trying to take too much away from Dravid, he really did step up his game from the late 90s and was much improved, and a world class batsman.  But to take his 'best' years in the 2000s, and compare it to Tendulkar, who at the time was past 15+ years as a test batsman, and a shadow of his primetime 'peak' post elbow injury, is silly.  But that's always been the  case with almost ALL of these Sachin comparisons.  Folks take Tendy's bad years, or take a cumulative cherry-picked snapshot that emphasizes his post-prime years, and stack it up against a contender's 'best' prime years. 

 

Whether its a Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Amla, - the list keeps going on.  Just one side of the comparison stays the same.  The legend with the bulls-eye on his back for some little children out to prove how 'very smart' a cricket fan they are.  All the while betraying their lack of basic grasp in terms of evaluating batting skill and ability.  

 

Need to remove those Tendulkar glasses 

Who failed in 90s (Donald, Wasim, Waqar, McGrath, etc.) when the bowlers took his classes 

In 21st century, went missing for over 100 tests

Was not even Ind's best

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

There's a reasonable argument to be made that the 2000s decade allowed a whole bunch of fair-weather boot-fillers - Yousuf Youhana, Kallis, etc to pile on big runs and bolster their batting averages quite a bit.  Now I'm not trying to take too much away from Dravid, he really did step up his game from the late 90s and was much improved, and a world class batsman.  But to take his 'best' years in the 2000s, and compare it to Tendulkar, who at the time was past 15+ years as a test batsman, and a shadow of his primetime 'peak' post elbow injury, is silly.  But that's always been the  case with almost ALL of these Sachin comparisons.  Folks take Tendy's bad years, or take a cumulative cherry-picked snapshot that emphasizes his post-prime years, and stack it up against a contender's 'best' prime years. 

 

Whether its a Lara, Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Amla, - the list keeps going on.  Just one side of the comparison stays the same.  The legend with the bulls-eye on his back for some little children out to prove how 'very smart' a cricket fan they are.  All the while betraying their lack of basic grasp in terms of evaluating batting skill and ability.  

This argument lot of Sachin fans make that Sachin some how faced lot of great attacks in 1990s is also completely wrong. What great attack did he face in 1990s? It is not people's fault that Tendulkar debuted very early and played way past his prime.  You don't get to pick and choose stats for any player. Nobody asked Sachin to drag his career shamelessly like he did for 100th ton.

 

Kallis and Youhana don't belong in the same sentence anywhere. Kallis was late blommer who once  got his bearings became  a great test batsmen.  As a package  Kallis would be first test player in modern era to be picked for any team.

 

 Sachin surely more talented than Kallis or Dravid. I dont think he was more talented than Lara but he achieved lot more than Lara.I don't  think  Lara even comes close to Tendulkar in terms of achievements.Tendulkar stayed hungry,humble and grounded even when he was the most famous person. Lara never could stay grounded once he got fame.

Edited January 6, 2021 by putrevus