IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[vishalvirsingh]

4 hours ago, New guy said:

Ravindra is the most exciting young batting talent in world cricket, just ahead of Jaiswal.

i would beg to differ...jaiswal, gill (even Prithvi) should be ahead of Ravindra ..

Ravindra may not be as good against SPIN as Jaiswal or Gill

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

our trundlers--mukesh chowdhary today ( bowling 132 to 137K) and so many are getting hit for 10 to 12 runs an over and they are getting repeated chances- harshal trundler king patel has been thrashed in every match in which he is played in this IPL- then why is the coach sticking with him.

 

PLease notice this point - new fast bowlers harshit got a chance n he impressed, Mayank has got the social media crazy, Batsman give respect to genuine Pace. see alzary,  even see Ishant when he is bowling above 140( clean bowled russel off a 144.5 k yorker on a flat track)- I mean when the bowler is generating pace , he is getting respect too 

 

see khaleel , mayank ,even mohsin is getting SUCCESS. alzary, pathirana and one more fiery foreign fast bowler was looking unplayable as they were bowling fast.

Point I intend to make is - Speed succeeds even in T20 provided its the right line n length.

With Pace the batters' only option is to use that pace or slash hard and hope edge carries to the boundary not the fielders. They have lesser time to come into power position/stance. They can not manoeuver as they please. There power shots are limited, with trundlers they can get into position/power stance and can club the ball from there, they have multiple options, the good thing with  trundlers is edge does not go to boundaries and simple drives give fielding team chance to  chase down the ball before it reaches to 4.

 

Pathirana nailing yorker at v.high pace batters are not at all set-up for 4/6 they just want to negotiate the 150 kmph yorker and hope they make it to next over. 

[Kron]

6 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i would beg to differ...jaiswal, gill (even Prithvi) should be ahead of Ravindra ..

Ravindra may not be as good against SPIN as Jaiswal or Gill

Ravindra is a nothing player compared to jaissu etc

[tapandrun]

Ucapped Ind players winning matches for their teams :

 

Mayank - 2 Matches

Parag-2 Matches

Shashank -1 

Rana-1 

Sudharshan -1 

With notable contribution by Raghuvanshi, Madhwal, 

 

Is there a pattern emerging or just showing the problem underneath with Ind intnl capped players??

[MediumPacer]

8 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

our trundlers--mukesh chowdhary today ( bowling 132 to 137K) and so many are getting hit for 10 to 12 runs an over and they are getting repeated chances- harshal trundler king patel has been thrashed in every match in which he is played in this IPL- then why is the coach sticking with him.

 

PLease notice this point - new fast bowlers harshit got a chance n he impressed, Mayank has got the social media crazy, Batsman give respect to genuine Pace. see alzary,  even see Ishant when he is bowling above 140( clean bowled russel off a 144.5 k yorker on a flat track)- I mean when the bowler is generating pace , he is getting respect too 

 

see khaleel , mayank ,even mohsin is getting SUCCESS. alzary, pathirana and one more fiery foreign fast bowler was looking unplayable as they were bowling fast.

Point I intend to make is - Speed succeeds even in T20 provided its the right line n length.

slower balls have better stats than quicker balls .

[vishalvirsingh]

touch wood - Mayank is bowling fast and with a line n length that is unplayable BUT by chance, if his line n length vary and he gets a beating in one of the matches or a few matches- selectors and Team coaches need to support him fully like they supported SIRAJ.

 

umraan was getting some support from selectors  but later his franchisee kind of did not pick him in the 11.

 

brett lee, shoaib , srinath , zak became BIG players bcos they were backed. 

 

Hope LSG frachisee and INDIA team support them.

 

i read an article which said khaleel and mayank are getting considered and siraj could be dropped owing to his bad form and shammi is unfit for world cup. bhuvi, mukesh and avesh may not be considered. though it is too early to decide.

[vishalvirsingh]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Ucapped Ind players winning matches for their teams :

 

Mayank - 2 Matches

Parag-2 Matches

Shashank -1 

Rana-1 

Sudharshan -1 

With notable contribution by Raghuvanshi, Madhwal, 

 

Is there a pattern emerging or just showing the problem underneath with Ind intnl capped players??

exactly you are correct india international players are underperforming or NOT pushing themselves much.

[vishalvirsingh]

well done ishant...we are proud of you!  . i will not have any regrets if you are picked in a test or odi or t20 to represent India. he became a better bowler at the end of his career.

 

[vishalvirsingh]

15 hours ago, Mosher said:

Dale Steyn is another one. 

lots of indian bowlers are bowling in IPL- not a single one got great feedback from steyn or Brett lee or stuart broad.

 

Lee has congratulated INDIA to get an express bowler and Stuart has as steven smith to be worried and be ready to face mayank in Australia.

 

 We( cricket analysts in indian cricket fans) could go wrong but Stuart broad OR Steven Smith OR Brett Lee cannot be wrong about FAST BOWLING SELECTIONS.

@agarkar - please take note.

kindly request agarkar and team to get Morne Morkel or any Super fast bowling coach as PARAS OR Dravid may be good fast bowling coach but they are not the BEST in the world , if BCCI can offer big money - why not get the best bowling coach.

[Kron]

2 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

touch wood - Mayank is bowling fast and with a line n length that is unplayable BUT by chance, if his line n length vary and he gets a beating in one of the matches or a few matches- selectors and Team coaches need to support him fully like they supported SIRAJ.

 

umraan was getting some support from selectors  but later his franchisee kind of did not pick him in the 11.

 

brett lee, shoaib , srinath , zak became BIG players bcos they were backed. 

 

Hope LSG frachisee and INDIA team support them.

 

i read an article which said khaleel and mayank are getting considered and siraj could be dropped owing to his bad form and shammi is unfit for world cup. bhuvi, mukesh and avesh may not be considered. though it is too early to decide.

Siraj needs to be permanently dropped. He is too inconsistent. 

[vishalvirsingh]

16 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

You will see the fearsome trio of Unadkat, Bhuvi and Natarajan playing together.

 

SRH should release Umran.

Nattu 116k to 130K--USP- yorkers 

bhuvi 120 k to 136k --USP SWiNG and Immaculate Line n length

Unadkat 106k to 125k -USP Slow bowling variations

 whats the point of picking 3 pacers who bowl at the same pace - a genuine fast bowler umran would come and take away more wickets and be a surprise for the batsman , nattu + bhuvi+ umraan would be a good attack and all three could get advantage.

batsman get used to slow pace and bat easily facing all similar pace...ideally one slow/swing bowler is good enough.

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

well done ishant...we are proud of you!  . i will not have any regrets if you are picked in a test or odi or t20 to represent India. he became a better bowler at the end of his career.

 

Really liked how Russels complimented Ishant 

[Kron]

This is indian mentality from casual fans and even passionate ones in general

 

About pace you see these comments all the time. 

 

 

Such as;

 

Fast bowling cannot do anything unless and until you have accurecy

 

Glen McGrath hardly crossed 140km/h..Still one the greatest of all time

 

phle indians rote h ki 150+ bowler nahi h india me aur jab koi aa jata fir use kaafi harshly criticize karte ho smh

 

He just had pace,he lacked skills. He never bowled proper line and length. He failed badly in that series.

 

 

Mentality has to change. First opt to bowl fast. Just fast and then work on skills. Results will come automatically. 

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

This is indian mentality from casual fans and even passionate ones in general

 

About pace you see these comments all the time. 

 

 

Such as;

 

Fast bowling cannot do anything unless and until you have accurecy

 

Glen McGrath hardly crossed 140km/h..Still one the greatest of all time

 

phle indians rote h ki 150+ bowler nahi h india me aur jab koi aa jata fir use kaafi harshly criticize karte ho smh

 

He just had pace,he lacked skills. He never bowled proper line and length. He failed badly in that series.

 

 

Mentality has to change. First opt to bowl fast. Just fast and then work on skills. Results will come automatically. 

First provide the right pitches , otherwise quicks become a burden,and have to carried around for the sake of development.

[singhvivek141]

20 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

First provide the right pitches , otherwise quicks become a burden,and have to carried around for the sake of development.

It's a vicious cycle, will take ages to change.

Despite us being the best pace bowling attack in WC 2023. Dravid & co went for a sluggish pitch and it backfired right on their face.

 

Not sure if that's due to lack or trust on pacers, or due to lack of trust on the batters ability to play pace.

[MediumPacer]

26 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's a vicious cycle, will take ages to change.

Despite us being the best pace bowling attack in WC 2023. Dravid & co went for a sluggish pitch and it backfired right on their face.

 

Not sure if that's due to lack or trust on pacers, or due to lack of trust on the batters ability to play pace.

Didn't icc create that pitch,and there was swing  under light ,we didn't bowl that well either.

 

But you are right ,we just arent that keen on pacers,old habit die hard.

 

Our slip catching ain't that great either ,nor is the over rate as they waste time and slow things down,which means you need to bring on the spinners to quicken it up. These things are very important to maintain the pace attack.

[Kron]

2 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

First provide the right pitches , otherwise quicks become a burden,and have to carried around for the sake of development.

Agreed but don't you feel it's a bit difficult to produce quality bouncy flat pitches like Australia in India though due to weather? 

[MediumPacer]

48 minutes ago, Kron said:

Agreed but don't you feel it's a bit difficult to produce quality bouncy flat pitches like Australia in India though due to weather? 

The soil ain't ideal but still they can quicken it up as much as possible and also leave some grass,make sure it doesnt easily turn. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Agreed but don't you feel it's a bit difficult to produce quality bouncy flat pitches like Australia in India though due to weather? 

Australian weather is also hot. Difference is in soil. Old dharmshala pitch had high clay content which made it pacy with bounce. Now they relaid the pitch for WC and it has become slow too. 

[Kron]

30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Australian weather is also hot. Difference is in soil. Old dharmshala pitch had high clay content which made it pacy with bounce. Now they relaid the pitch for WC and it has become slow too. 

Adding more clay content is more expensive or?