singhvivek141 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 23 minutes ago, Mosher said: Will Tyagi get a chance now????? I doubt...unless GT is out of knockout race...I don't see that happening. Warrier has picked up 3 wickets so that another issue. Umesh might comeback tapandrun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Natarajan will face the same fate as Mohit when a top international batter starts playing with intensity. tapandrun, singhvivek141, Vijy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Nortje bowled upto 152.6 k today. The heat is palpable in the deliveries when some starts bowling 145 to 152 k or higher. Vijy, Mosher and tapandrun 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Defence Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 minutes ago, express bowling said: Natarajan will face the same fate as Mohit when a top international batter starts playing with intensity. your picks for the wc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 10 minutes ago, express bowling said: Natarajan will face the same fate as Mohit when a top international batter starts playing with intensity. nah hes better in terms of nailing yorkers. Even in intl he did well Mohit had just 1 good season even there couldn't finish well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Lord said: nah hes better in terms of nailing yorkers. Even in intl he did well Mohit had just 1 good season even there couldn't finish well With his height and pace he has to be pin point 6 out of 6...straight under the bat. An inch here and there and he will be taken for runs. High pace increases those inches around the yorker area by a bit. Plus even low fulltosses can be effective and hard to hit. Edited April 24 by singhvivek141 express bowling, tapandrun and Vijy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said: With his height and pace he has to be pin point 6 out of 6...straight under the bat. An inch here and there and he will be taken for runs. High pace increases those inches around the yorker area by a bit. Plus even low fulltosses can be effective and hard to hit. yeah I was only comparing to Maulit singhvivek141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Forward Defence said: your picks for the wc? Bumrah Harshit Arshdeep Mayank Mosher and Sgattick10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 10 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bumrah Harshit Arshdeep Mayank Who's in 11 ?? If Hardik is not third seamer Ind may have to sit out Rinku. Bhumrah, Singh(bring only LAF) and Hardik are 3 seamers and then 2 spinners, then only Rinku gets into 11. Else batting gets weaker Edited April 24 by tapandrun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 6 hours ago, tapandrun said: Who's in 11 ?? If Hardik is not third seamer Ind may have to sit out Rinku. Bhumrah, Singh(bring only LAF) and Hardik are 3 seamers and then 2 spinners, then only Rinku gets into 11. Else batting gets weaker you don't need 2 spinners. 3 pacers + kuldeep is enough. there will be 2-3 part time options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 10 hours ago, express bowling said: Natarajan will face the same fate as Mohit when a top international batter starts playing with intensity. People don't understand medium pacers/trundlers should be extremely good hitters of the ball with credentials to score consistently 25-30 runs to compensate for their inability to make things happen Outta nowhere which a 140+-145+ wicket taking pacers can do Infact I believe each one of the members should have ability to tonk deliveries express bowling, tapandrun and Mosher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Vijy said: you don't need 2 spinners. 3 pacers + kuldeep is enough. there will be 2-3 part time options. In which case we need to play both Abhishek and Parag for their SLA & legcuts to compliment the chinaman. Both actually merit a place in the 11. But with Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Pandya and Jadeja they may not even make it to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, JaFanatic said: In which case we need to play both Abhishek and Parag for their SLA & legcuts to compliment the chinaman. Both actually merit a place in the 11. But with Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Pandya and Jadeja they may not even make it to the squad. Its the same problem again which has been happening for last 3/4 marquee events, Ind bowlers can't bat and batters cannot bowl. When the team be announced some1 will tell, they have talked to Kolhi and Rohit and when needed they will bowl. Should have developed Jaiswal as legspinner he was bowling not long back in age groups, Rinku bowls some off-spinner too. Its just they do not want to develop them. Not sure by S.Iyer can bowl too. Looks like they donot want to create much competition for senior superstars express bowling and JaFanatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 (edited) 11 hours ago, tapandrun said: Who's in 11 ?? If Hardik is not third seamer Ind may have to sit out Rinku. Bhumrah, Singh(bring only LAF) and Hardik are 3 seamers and then 2 spinners, then only Rinku gets into 11. Else batting gets weaker Hardik is totally out of form. So no point in taking him. One possible playing 11 is .... 1. Rohit .. as he has been chosen captain 2. Abhishek .. spinner 3. Jaiswal 4. SKY 5. Pant 6. Rinku 7. Dube .. medium pacer 8. Harshit .. can hit big 9. Bumrah 10. Kuldeep 11. Mayank 12. Samson 13. Pan-less Parag 14. Axar 15. Arshdeep .... Bumrah and Harshit can bowl both in PP and at the death. .... Mayank and Kuldeep will bowl in the middle overs. .... Abhishek and Dube will share 4 overs. .... Abhishek should definitely be picked this time. No other Indian can bat at 300+ SR at the top and bowl spin. .... Dube at 7 lends a lot of depth to the batting. Edited April 25 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, express bowling said: Hardik is totally out of form. So no point in taking him. One possible playing 11 is .... 1. Rohit .. as he has been chosen captain 2. Abhishek .. spinner 3. Jaiswal 4. SKY 5. Pant 6. Rinku 7. Dube .. medium pacer 8. Harshit .. can hit big 9. Bumrah 10. Kuldeep 11. Mayank No Kolhi ...?? by now Kohli and Rohit have become Binary stars figuratively and literally. Either both are in the team or both are dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 32 minutes ago, tapandrun said: No Kolhi ...?? by now Kohli and Rohit have become Binary stars figuratively and literally. Either both are in the team or both are dropped Can Kohli keep wickets ? Or can he give us 2 proper overs with ball ? If not Kohli then either Rohit or SKY has to take responsibility. Edited April 25 by singhvivek141 tapandrun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 39 minutes ago, tapandrun said: No Kolhi ...?? by now Kohli and Rohit have become Binary stars figuratively and literally. Either both are in the team or both are dropped We all know that Kohli will play. And so will Jadeja, Hardik, Mukesh. Rahul may sneak in too. These are just theoretical discussions about possible effective 11s. tapandrun and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) On 4/23/2024 at 12:36 PM, TellTheTruth said: How is bumrah being consistently shut down when he is averaging low 20s in all 3 formats. Is he supposed to be averaging 10? Which top tier bowler has been more consistent then bumrah across 3 formats in the t20 era? Closest is probably shaheen who stat padded against weak test teams. Fair point, may b there is nathing may be there is something. IMO there is a pattern emerging. It starts same way first ppl think its all good they are top player, there is data to back them up and then slowly we realize there was a problem Or may be just over watching and over analyzing like they through around and talk about clutch genes, being soft, no. of rings, post season game in NBA. But there has be to some reason Ind has/had ntwin a single ICC title for so long having best ODI players in Rohit, Dhoni, Kolhi, Bhvi, Bhumrah. And there are no teams like Aus for 90-00 and WI of 70- mid 80s Edited April 25 by tapandrun express bowling and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Bhuvi is best ODI player? Not even in his peak years lol. He was at best a support cast barring a couple of matches against SL and Aus. He avgs over 35 for heaven sake! express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 47 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Fair point, may b there is nathing may be there is something. IMO there is a pattern emerging. It starts same way first ppl think its all good they are top player, there is data to back them up and then slowly we realize there was a problem Or may be just over watching and over analyzing like they through around and talk about clutch genes, being soft, no. of rings, post season game in NBA. But there has be to some reason Ind has/had ntwin a single ICC title for so long having best ODI players in Rohit, Dhoni, Kolhi, Bhvi, Bhumrah. And there are no teams like Aus for 90-00 and WI of 70- mid 80s Simply we didn't hold our nerves in the key moments of knockout matches. That's the primary reason why we couldn't win more trophies, we choked when it matters. There other reasons too like stalking the 11 with only accumulators, lack of part time bowlers or bowlers who could bat. Not picking the best team like overlooking Shami for the best odi player Bhuvi for most part. TellTheTruth and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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