zen Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 We can have a mini KO tournament ... 4 teams are a Delhi, 4 at A’bad ... Use the current points table as seeding: Group Delhi Q1: CSK v SRH Q2: MI v RR SF1: Q1 v Q2 Group A’bad Q3: DC v KKR Q4: RCB v PK SF2: Q3 v Q4 Final: SF1 v SF2 at some relatively safe venue (not used before) Can be wrapped up quickly and we will get to see so many KO games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That would be very unfair to the teams that did not make it to the top 4. It is better to abandon this year rather than change the rules midway through the series. Indwin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Texan said: That would be very unfair to the teams that did not make it to the top 4. It is better to abandon this year rather than change the rules midway through the series. Technically, no team is confirmed in the top 4 yet. The seeding would account for the current performance though ... Of course, to cancel is another option but this is if BCCI wants to continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, zen said: We can have a mini KO tournament ... 4 teams are a Delhi, 4 at A’bad ... Use the current points table as seeding: Group Delhi Q1: CSK v SRH Q2: MI v RR SF1: Q1 v Q2 Group A’bad Q3: DC v KKR Q4: RCB v PK SF2: Q3 v Q4 Final: SF1 v SF2 at some relatively safe venue (not used before) Can be wrapped up quickly and we will get to see so many KO games! Did you not tell me in the other thread that a curtailed tournament was not an option when I suggested that the top 2 teams should play the final and then tournament should end early? Oh, I get it.. MI didn't make the top two, so that's not an option.. Hence we have to include all teams till the point that MI is covered Cricspin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Did you not tell me in the other thread that a curtailed tournament was not an option when I suggested that the top 2 teams should play the final and then tournament should end early? Oh, I get it.. MI didn't make the top two, so that's not an option.. Hence we have to include all teams till the point that MI is covered Nothing to do with any team ... The purpose of group stage, where teams play 14 games each, is to get into playoffs (from playoffs into the final to decide the winner) ... 6 teams have only played 7 games with the knowledge that there would be 14 ... the format in the OP: a) Gives every team a fair chance b) Accounts for current performances through seeding c) Helps the tournament to wrap up in a few days, achieving the goal of a completed tournament (if it is imp for BCCI) & incorporating proactive measures Edited May 3, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I like the idea of OP here. Seems fair too. If you are at top, you get to face the bottom and so on for rest. But right now, not sure how games in Ahmedabad will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricketfan28 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 sounds fair . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeGaw Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 It would add two games to the original idea, but to reduce the fluke factor I would setup the group stages like the current playoff format where #1 plays #2. Winner goes to group final. #3 vs #4, loser goes home, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Makes no sense to keep all teams at par.. SRH can fluke a couple of wins and go on to win the finals.. Maybe just have playoffs as normal taking only 7 games of each team into consideration instead of 14. Qualifier 1 : CSK vs DC Eliminator : RCB vs MI Qualifier 2 : Loser of Qualifier 1 vs Winner of Eliminator Final : Winner of Q1 vs Winner of Q2. (OR) Play the final straight with the top two teams - CSK vs DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Makes no sense to keep all teams at par.. SRH can fluke a couple of wins and go on to win the finals.. Maybe just have playoffs as normal taking only 7 games of each team into consideration instead of 14. Qualifier 1 : CSK vs DC Eliminator : RCB vs MI Qualifier 2 : Loser of Qualifier 1 vs Winner of Eliminator Final : Winner of Q1 vs Winner of Q2. (OR) Play the final straight with the top two teams - CSK vs DC Technically at the moment, no team is confirmed as #1 or #2 (there can be fan favorites) w/ many still needing to play 7 more games. The table changes weekly (it is just that currently x or y is at the top. If team z has 3 good games and x/y a couple of bad ones, the table could change, and so on). Also since the teams would not informed of the change to reduce group games, it would be highly unfair on other teams who would seeking to make a comeback ... The mini KO would give all teams a fair chance including teams such as SRH, which at the moment can technically qualify for playoffs too if it had the opportunity to play 14 games, if it plays well to turn its game around. A team has to win 3 KO games in a row. The one that does it, deserves to be the champion Edited May 3, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, zen said: Technically, no team is confirmed as #1 or #2 (there can be fan favorites) w/ many still needing to play 7 more games. The table changes weekly (it is just that currently x or y is at the top. If team x has 3 good games and x/y bad ones, the table could change, and so on). Also since the teams would not informed of the change to reduce group games, it would be highly unfair on other teams who would seeking to make a comeback ... A KO would give all teams a fair chance including teams such as SRH, which at the moment can technically qualify for playoffs if it played 14 games, if it plays well. A team has to win 3 KO games in a row. The one that does it, deserves to be the champion So, SRH not getting a chance to come back in unfair, but SRH fluking a win against CSK or KKR against DC is fair? CSK and DC have consistently done well in 7 games and deserve a better shot at the playoffs than floundering teams like SRH and KKR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, bowl_out said: So, SRH not getting a chance to come back in unfair, but SRH fluking a win against CSK or KKR against DC is fair? CSK and DC have consistently done well in 7 games and deserve a better shot at the playoffs than floundering teams like SRH and KKR Yes, because we cannot assume that team x or y would be #1-2 after 14 games. You need to finish the group stage to determine that. If the crisis happened after say 3 games, below would be the table. After 4 games After 6 games At the above points, an RCB fan can make the same argument as you. After 10 games, the table could be different (venues change, form change, etc.), and so on Edited May 3, 2021 by zen cricketfan28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, zen said: Yes, because we cannot assume that team x or y would be #1-2 after 14 games. You need to finish the group stage to determine that. If the crisis happened after say 3 games, below would be the table. After 4 games After 6 games At the above points, an RCB fan can make the same argument as you. After 10 games, the table could be different (venues change, form change, etc.), and so on Each of those has the same teams in the top 4... What are you smoking? Anyways that's besides the point. 7 games is a far more logical point that 3 games or 4 games because each team has played every other team exactly once.. And it is the midpoint of the league stage.. In unforseen circumstances like these, I'd rather take this as the logical break-point to identify the teams that should qualify from here on than assume that every team has an equal opportunity to qualify through a quarter final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeGaw Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) We are at a convenient spot where every team has played all opponents once except DC vs PBKS who have played each other twice. Take the standings as of Saturday (last of the first go through) and call that your end of season standings. Yeah, pretty much what bowl_out said. Edited May 3, 2021 by GeeGaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Each of those has the same teams in the top 4... What are you smoking? Anyways that's besides the point. 7 games is a far more logical point that 3 games or 4 games because each team has played every other team exactly once.. And it is the midpoint of the league stage.. In unforseen circumstances like these, I'd rather take this as the logical break-point to identify the teams that should qualify from here on than assume that every team has an equal opportunity to qualify through a quarter final Unless a provision is made before hand in the terms (currently 14 games that decides playoff spots) and an advance notice provided (so it can be agreed beforehand by all teams) 5,6,7,8,9, etc., are just #s (whatever your pick for what makes sense. Happenstance does not carry weightage) No team is going to accept missing out w/o being given an opportunity to fight for a comeback (Stakeholder Mgmt). Teams missing out would rather prefer the tournament to be cancelled so may not come on board for an ad hoc proposal in the first place. On the other hand, teams playing well would rather prefer to play these teams than see the tournament get cancelled. For any team to accept any new ad hoc proposal, it would first see that it has a fair chance too PS in short, 6/8 teams will not accept CSK and DC as #1-2 much like the remaining teams will not accept RCB or xyz as #1 after x games if some crisis had happened earlier or later (if it moves up again for e.g.) w/o a prior understanding on the cut off # Edited May 4, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeGaw Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 BCCI can tell the owners of the bottom four teams if they want to retain their franchises going forward they better sign off on the revised plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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