Khota Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 9:53 AM, Vilander said: i am still wondering why there are no military hospitals.. may be they themselves cant hold their internal patients.. nightmarish.. This government has no experience in crisis management.
Khota Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 12:35 PM, Lone Wolf said: Some core issues with BJP is they all talk big but actions are almost opposite to that. Except article 370 removal which was indeed a bold move & much needed one.. he has not lived up to expectations. Take an example of Rohingyas What action they have to taken to remove them. They are living illegally without UNHCR cards in India... In Delhi & in freakin J&K of all people... And god knows how many of them in UP & Bengal & have made fake Aadhars & voter cards. So far all I have seen is big statements & nothing on the ground. NRC may or may not come but at least do something about them or else don't give people false hope. I agree. Except for article 370 and dealing with Pakistan what have they done. Rohingyas should be in BD not India.
Vilander Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 14 hours ago, mishra said: No, what i mean is what can be achieved in West can not be achieved in India on any front. West is ahead of India in every sense. For example: Number of doctors/nurses/hospitals/policemen per 10000 population in India is nowhere close to what is in West. The system in West is matured and feeds back to admin. Look at earnings, a high skilled person earns same in India to what benefits system pays to someone in West on dole. Lalu wasn’t brought in front of judges till he became old, David Cameroon is facing heat within 2 minths as soon as it was known that he was sending txts to Rishi Sunak for lobbying. So when they say, they could have done things this way and that way, people forget that what is practical in their Western Country is impossible to achieve in India atleast till next 20-30 years. Point noted. Then don't compare to West. Compare to first wave in India. Agreed infections rate was higher but why was it higher because what missing? Govt is at fault for declaring victory prematurely for optics to win election, is at fault for not managing vaccine pipeline better ( it is now but why not earlier) for not looking close enough on rising infection rates earlier and getting lockdowns earlier. For still not doing enough around even elementary human right like dignity in death. mishra 1
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Khota said: How much testing were they doing? This virus just does not go away with massive vaccination campaign. BJP failed in all fronts. Again, same number of tests were being carroed out. Go and check the data pleas. Testing was never reduced.
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Vilander said: Point noted. Then don't compare to West. Compare to first wave in India. Agreed infections rate was higher but why was it higher because what missing? Govt is at fault for declaring victory prematurely for optics to win election, is at fault for not managing vaccine pipeline better ( it is now but why not earlier) for not looking close enough on rising infection rates earlier and getting lockdowns earlier. For still not doing enough around even elementary human right like dignity in death. Now that is key. Discussion from that point will mean people understand what is reality. I do not contest people blaming gvmnt from this angle
Khota Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 5 hours ago, mishra said: Again, same number of tests were being carroed out. Go and check the data pleas. Testing was never reduced. Do you know they are undercounting by atleast a factor of six? Can you believe anything that they are saying.
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Khota said: Do you know they are undercounting by atleast a factor of six? Can you believe anything that they are saying. Thats arguable but its condition which we went in April. Who does the counting each state? See, Centre failed to see Wave 2. That and only that is fact. End of March 2021, Centre did see that wave 2 is coming. But by that time, there was no time. What was needed was instead of relying on data based on which they predicted wave 2 in India. They should have assumed that Wave 2 was coming based on what happened in West and every state should have gone into war footing By end of December 2020. In centres defense, I will say that they may have been uncertain by data that came from Certain countries who did not give sign of wave 2. speedheat 1
Vilander Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 9 hours ago, mishra said: Now that is key. Discussion from that point will mean people understand what is reality. I do not contest people blaming gvmnt from this angle What is key? So you understand why central and state governments esp modi govt in center have failed spectacularly right.. Like focus on winning elections with false bravado of defeating covid when it was still raging allowing talib jamaat Muslim gatherings and Hindu kumbmelas.. no oxygen in hospitals due to lack of logistics.. no funeral pyre and floating corpses in river etc.. Indian people should move out of identity politics and ask for better from their politicians..
Vilander Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, mishra said: See, acted as if it failed to see second Wave 2 Corrected. Modi Shaw had bigger concerns like bengal elections..
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vilander said: What is key? So you understand why central and state governments esp modi govt in center have failed spectacularly right.. Like focus on winning elections with false bravado of defeating covid when it was still raging allowing talib jamaat Muslim gatherings and Hindu kumbmelas.. no oxygen in hospitals due to lack of logistics.. no funeral pyre and floating corpses in river etc.. Indian people should move out of identity politics and ask for better from their politicians.. Covid spread via streets, shops and public transport of India. Why did it spread so quickly? No satisfactory answer, Someone is hiding something somewhere and intentionally spreading propaganda like election in Bengal for covid spread in Delhi Mumbai and Kumbh Mela in Uttarakhand for covid in Kerala and Tamilnadu. Now next point, facilities like oxygen hospital and other stuff don’t get created overnight specially in a country where we have power outage for atleast several hours every day in most big towns. In rural areas, it could be days. In other countries , people and system is developed. Benefits reaches to people directly, they don’t need to queue up while in India, you have to queue up even at airport. Morality and Ethics among medical professionals is exceptionally high overseas compared to India, for example , I was given incorrect medical advise from a top doctor who was supposedly awarded by president of India. So there is absolute lack morality or ethics in noble profession like judiciary and medicine, Yes, Judges too behaved like vultures and idiots till gvmnt had to tell them to shut up. covid is another money making excercise for a lot of vultures in both these profession instead of leading from front and advising govmnt. India is a country where every work can only be achieved unless you have a stick and people take short cut of blaming politicians when they themselves break the rules Atleast 10 times a day. If you were in India, how many days you managed maintained 2 mtr indoor, zero physical contact and other rules. Ask yourself. First wave was won by timely lockdown. Second wave meant a lockdown in March. India is not and will not be medically equipped to fight a pandemic atleast for next 20 years. Lets accept it and moove on. Now, Why was no lockdown in March? This answer requires greater info then what we have based our discussing on Edited May 16, 2021 by mishra
Vilander Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, mishra said: Lets accept it and moove on. Now, Why was no lockdown in March? No indias should not accept it and move on lol.. Modi should face the music for killing so many people because was more interested in winning elections. Under_Score 1
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Vilander said: No indias should not accept it and move on lol.. Modi should face the music for killing so many people because was more interested in winning elections. Ok
Vilander Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, mishra said: covid in Kerala and Tamilnadu TN had elections too. India needed to stop elections. Did not do that as Modi and the state politicians were. Ore interested in winning elections. Simple. Make them pay for it. Else more loved ones will die.
Khota Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 8 hours ago, mishra said: Thats arguable but its condition which we went in April. Who does the counting each state? See, Centre failed to see Wave 2. That and only that is fact. End of March 2021, Centre did see that wave 2 is coming. But by that time, there was no time. What was needed was instead of relying on data based on which they predicted wave 2 in India. They should have assumed that Wave 2 was coming based on what happened in West and every state should have gone into war footing By end of December 2020. In centres defense, I will say that they may have been uncertain by data that came from Certain countries who did not give sign of wave 2. How do you fauil to see the wave when every expert was saying there is one coming. Every country is different. Why do they have to rely on data coming from other countries? Model for India is different than one for UK etc. You cant depend on others. Next they did not give seed capital for more vaccinations. There is lot of blame but defending them will not solve the problem.
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Khota said: How do you fauil to see the wave when every expert was saying there is one coming. Every country is different. Why do they have to rely on data coming from other countries? Model for India is different than one for UK etc. You cant depend on others. Next they did not give seed capital for more vaccinations. There is lot of blame but defending them will not solve the problem. Name one expert. Man, when uou make claim, come with something to bavk it.
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vilander said: TN had elections too. India needed to stop elections. Did not do that as Modi and the state politicians were. Ore interested in winning elections. Simple. Make them pay for it. Else more loved ones will die. Dont fall far it. I know, TN is in grief but Social distancing measures required for COVId as per guidelines were not followed since Oct2020. I have not ever seen one person coming within 2 mtre rafius of me for over 1 year, apart from my time in India and nowadays on Cricket field. I was dead scared at Delhi Airport in dec2020 when suddenly i saw so many people so close to me. So effectively, whole of India never followed followed any social distancing apart from lockdown periods. Hope now you understand why I am pouting so much emphasis on lockdowns and discounting all these gatherings and other stuff. Gathering were temporary, But India and Indians were not following it every minute Edited May 16, 2021 by mishra
Vilander Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, mishra said: Dont fall far it. I know, TN is in grief but Social distancing measures required for COVId as per guidelines were not followed since Oct2020. I have not ever seen one person coming within 2 mtre rafius of me for over 1 year, apart from my time in India and nowadays on Cricket field. I was dead scared at Delhi Airport in dec2020 when suddenly i saw so many people so close to me. So effectively, whole of India never followed followed any social distancing apart from lockdown periods. Hope now you understand why I am pouting so much emphasis on lockdowns and discounting all these gatherings and other stuff. Gathering were temporary, But India and Indians were not following it every minute Don't fall for what man? If after this Indians don't demand more from their politicians only God will save India. mishra 1
Khota Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, mishra said: Name one expert. Man, when uou make claim, come with something to bavk it. Google is your friend.
coffee_rules Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Khota said: Google is your friend. Pinky from Ghazipur is not credible
Khota Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Pinky from Ghazipur is not credible Is she more credible than people giving news currently?
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