Surya kumar Yadav is a national treasure

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

In one dayers vast majority of the time you have to build and finish. Very raely you will be required to start going after bowling.  You could be in at 10/3, 15/4 60/5.   Reliability is important in a side that has 4 tailenders and 1 fake all rounder.

 

 

Finisher's role is to go after bowling only. If we regularly get 10/3, 15/4 type scores, problem is somewhere else.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

Finisher's role is to go after bowling only. If we regularly get 10/3, 15/4 type scores, problem is somewhere else.

 

He didn't exactly "go after" the bowling today. When he did he got out in 2 shots. There is a difference between finisher like Yuvraj/Raina and guys like SKy whose only role is to attack from first ball till the end.  They can play risk free cricket and at the same time accelerate.  SKY cannot accelerate without indulging in high risk cricket. 

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He didn't exactly "go after" the bowling today. When he did he got out in 2 shots. There is a difference between finisher like Yuvraj/Raina and guys like SKy whose only role is to attack from first ball till the end.  They can play risk free cricket and at the same time accelerate.  SKY cannot accelerate without indulging in high risk cricket. 

Problem with your illogical theories is, your seem only count Raina/Yuvraj best days. There have been plenty of matches where they failed miserably.

 

 

SKY has played far fewer matches , today is just step in right direction and you come up with ridiculous statement , He cannot do it from 15/4  and Mayank can do what SKY can do .

 

No Mayank cannot do what SKY can do.

Edited September 22, 2023 by putrevus

[R!TTER]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

SKY cannot accelerate without indulging in high risk cricket. 

He was striking close to 90 with zero risks till he want past 40 with that top edge 6 behind the wicket, so no you're wrong.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

Problem with your illogical theories is, your seem only count Raina/Yuvraj best days. There have been plenty of matches where they failed miserably.

 

 

Raina played a clutch knock in semi final, Asia cup final. They fail once in a while as against this guy failing most of the times. What has SKY achieved? You seem to be blindly backing him and withdrawing supoprt and against backing him after one innings. lol After 10 failures he scores a 50. wow suddenly he bas become our "finisher". 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

He was striking close to 90 with zero risks till he want past 40 with that top edge 6 behind the wicket, so no you're wrong.

 

So here he is for 90 strike rate innings?

[R!TTER]

We were chasing a modest total on a low pitch, although dew did help. What do you want exactly - play it like a T20 when the situation absolutely doesn't need it or fall for a duck & get hung out to dry 

Edited September 22, 2023 by R!TTER

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Raina played a clutch knock in semi final, Asia cup final. They fail once in a while as against this guy failing most of the times. What has SKY achieved? You seem to be blindly backing him and withdrawing supoprt and against backing him after one innings. lol After 10 failures he scores a 50. wow suddenly he bas become our "finisher". 

Not like I'm against this punt,I really hope this comes off

But this guy,will blame SKY when the time and need arises clearly giving a pass to Kohli and Rohit where all 3 of them fail together

At the drop of a hat he will do it

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Raina played a clutch knock in semi final, Asia cup final. They fail once in a while as against this guy failing most of the times. What has SKY achieved? You seem to be blindly backing him and withdrawing supoprt and against backing him after one innings. lol After 10 failures he scores a 50. wow suddenly he bas become our "finisher". 

SKY has played only fraction of matches, you expect him to smash 20 ball 50 or else he is failure. He did what was needed today.What else can he do?

 

 

What did your Yuvraj and Raina do when Mendis was going thru lineup  like hot knife through butter in Asia cup.

Edited September 22, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

SKY has played only fraction of matches, you expect him to smash 20 ball 50 or else he is failure. 

 

 

What did your Yuvraj and Raina do when Mendis was going thru lineup  like hot knife through butter in Asia cup.

 

wait Fraction of matches?  He has played 28 one dayers including minnows. Grand total of 587 runs at 25.52 avge. That is pathetic.  He is only one year younger than Kohli. He himself said he is still trying to figure out how to play ODIs. He looked lost in 75% of the matches he played.  We have guys like Samson who has an average of 55 and couldn't even get  reserve spot. This guy got picked for Tests, ODis. It is not like SKY has a great List A career. He made his List A debut in 2010.  After 12 years where his name didn't even pop up anywhere  has suddenly become our "impact player" for the world cup. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

wait Fraction of matches?  He has played 28 one dayers including minnows. Grand total of 587 runs at 25.52 avge. That is pathetic.  He is only one year younger than Kohli. He himself said he is still trying to figure out how to play ODIs. He looked lost in 75% of the matches he played.  We have guys like Samson who has an average of 55 and couldn't even get  reserve spot. This guy got picked for Tests, ODis. It is not like SKY has a great List A career. He made his List A debut in 2010.  After 12 years where his name didn't even pop up anywhere  has suddenly become our "impact player" for the world cup. 

What's the term?  Format-confounding? 

 

One format's national treasure is another format's _______________________?

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

What's the term?  Format-confounding? 

 

One format's national treasure is another format's _______________________?

 

National pressure

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

wait Fraction of matches?  He has played 28 one dayers including minnows. Grand total of 587 runs at 25.52 avge. That is pathetic.  He is only one year younger than Kohli. He himself said he is still trying to figure out how to play ODIs. He looked lost in 75% of the matches he played.  We have guys like Samson who has an average of 55 and couldn't even get  reserve spot. This guy got picked for Tests, ODis. It is not like SKY has a great List A career. He made his List A debut in 2010.  After 12 years where his name didn't even pop up anywhere  has suddenly become our "impact player" for the world cup. 

What list A career did Raina have, Yuvraj avg is in 30s.

 

He made a name for himself in IPL and then got into Indian team.

 

Samson is not even fraction of what SKY can do , Samson needs to be kept away from Indian team.

 

I would have given SKY more tests, I would have played him in test finals too over useless Pujara.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

What list A career did Raina have, Yuvraj avg is in 30s.

 

He made a name for himself in IPL and then got into Indian team.

 

Samson is not even fraction of what SKY can do , Samson needs to be kept away from Indian team.

 

I would have given SKY more tests, I would have played him in test finals too over useless Pujara.

 

Let us make him prime minister, army general too :)

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Let us make him prime minister, army general too :)

 

Your keep quoting avg of everyone except ones who are selected.

 

List A and FC avg cannot be only reason for selection.So you need stop quoting stats without any context.

 

 

If FC avg were the only needed for selection to test cricket. Vinay Kumar should have been first name on the list.Is there anyone in this country who has 500 wickets at 22 avg in FC.He has won every damn thing BCCI has put in domestic cricket.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Your keep quoting avg of everyone except ones who are selected.

 

List A and FC avg cannot be only reason for selection.So you need stop quoting stats without any context.

 

 

If FC avg were the only needed for selection to test cricket. Vinay Kumar should have been first name on the list.Is there anyone in this country who has 500 wickets at 22 avg in FC.He has won every damn thing BCCI has put in domestic cricket.

 

 

 

Yuvraj singh was picekd based on his under-19 performance. He instantly  impressed in theODI.  Yuvraj was a failure in Tests. I never supported yuvi in Tests.

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yuvraj singh was picekd based on his under-19 performance. He instantly  impressed in theODI.  Yuvraj was a failure in Tests. I never supported yuvi in Tests.

Yuvi would done very well in tests too, he did what SKY has done so far in odis.He tried to change his basic game in tests.

 

When all he needed was to be himself but to be fair on Yuvraj when in peak form he never got continuous run in tests.

 

Will SKY succeed in odis,nobody knows but he sure has all the tools needed to succeed unlike many players in domestic cricket.

 

 

[saneindian]

47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Raina played a clutch knock in semi final, Asia cup final. They fail once in a while as against this guy failing most of the times. What has SKY achieved? You seem to be blindly backing him and withdrawing supoprt and against backing him after one innings. lol After 10 failures he scores a 50. wow suddenly he bas become our "finisher". 

Check what was Raina averaging after his first 35-40 ODIs. The then TM saw a spark and kept backing him. Before the 2011 WC as well, he was struggling (1 50 in 20 ODIs) yet was backed. Thats the role of coach and captain. Keep showing faith in someone they believe will come good during crunch time.

 

Same with SKY. He's being backed for what he's done in white ball cricket in T20Is and in IPL, for his insane hitting abilities.

[Suhaan]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yuvraj singh was picekd based on his under-19 performance. He instantly  impressed in theODI.  Yuvraj was a failure in Tests. I never supported yuvi in Tests.

Just see ,he just said he would have played SKY in WTC final against Aussie test attack that too in England replacing Pujara

Gut feeling comes from past performances,based on that SKY's been given chances here but same gut feeling that keeps Pujara is baseless, everything is based on convenience

His posts are all funny ,he thinks he's too serious and part of serious discussion but if you go by his posts you won't have to read jokes

I mean seriously ,SKY against Aussie red ball attack ,venue England,lol

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, saneindian said:

Check what was Raina averaging after his first 35-40 ODIs. The then TM saw a spark and kept backing him. Before the 2011 WC as well, he was struggling (1 50 in 20 ODIs) yet was backed. Thats the role of coach and captain. Keep showing faith in someone they believe will come good during crunch time.

 

Same with SKY. He's being backed for what he's done in white ball cricket in T20Is and in IPL, for his insane hitting abilities.

 

SKY is no spring chicken. Some guys retired at that age. Backing this guy who is "trying to figure out  how to play ODIs" is different from backing a potential youngster. Nobody is shouting at the backing of Tilak varma, Gill.