Rohit Sharma surpasses Virat Kohli to become India's second most successful T20I captain

[maniac]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

 who nurtured tuk tuk ... 

if you mean Rohit then Dhoni 

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

if you mean Rohit then Dhoni 

 

Then based on your logic all credit goes to Dhoni, and stepping back the one who nurtured Dhoni, and so on 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Asian cricket council or any cricket board is part of ICC. I think what you want to say is world cups/ tournaments 

 

ICC trophies are world tournaments

 

Aise even BCCI is part of ICC. So every home series is ICC trophy

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

 

Then based on your logic all credit goes to Dhoni, and stepping back the one who nurtured Dhoni, and so on 

Absolutely Dhoni gets credit for backing players like Rohit,Ishant, Jadeja

 

Rohit gets credit for managing a lot of youngsters in Mumbai and helping them navigate the rookie phase.

 

obviously you can’t play for the players. It’s like saying your teachers shouldn’t get 0 credit or should get all the credit. Use some rational thinking :)

[maniac]

Just now, Lord said:

 

ICC trophies are world tournaments

 

Aise even BCCI is part of ICC. So every home series is ICC trophy

Every home series happens with ICC approvals: as I said multi-national tournaments and he won 2.

 

world cups : watch this space 

[Moochad]

 

Even became a moviestar before Virat

[maniac]

By the way Rohit won the 2 ICC backed  events without Bumrah, Kohli, Pandya and MSD-Jadeja in  1 out of 2 of those cups

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Absolutely Dhoni gets credit for backing players like Rohit,Ishant, Jadeja

 

Rohit gets credit for managing a lot of youngsters in Mumbai and helping them navigate the rookie phase.

 

obviously you can’t play for the players. It’s like saying your teachers shouldn’t get 0 credit or should get all the credit. Use some rational thinking :)

 

In IPL players usually only spend a couple of months and have to perform from game 1 ... IPL teams have great coaching and other support, along with access to international players like Malinga, Pollard, etc. 

 

Appears as if you have created an alternate reality for yourself ... ... ... 

 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

 

In IPL players usually only spend a couple of months and have to perform from game 1 ... IPL teams have great coaching and other support, along with access to international players like Malinga, Pollard, etc. 

 

Appears as if you have created an alternate reality for yourself ... ... ... 

 

Doctor can’t do what a friend, philosopher and guide can do. I believe that’s why most of these youngsters worship the ground he walks on just like the prev Gen did for MSD

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Every home series happens with ICC approvals: as I said multi-national tournaments and he won 2.

 

world cups : watch this space 

 

ICC trophies are ones organised by ICC. So world tourneys and everyone plays their best teams there.

 

Asia Cup and Nidahas are not that important. Teams rest important players in that.

[maniac]

Just now, Lord said:

 

ICC trophies are ones organised by ICC. So world tourneys and everyone plays their best teams there.

 

Asia Cup and Nidahas are not that important. Teams rest important players in that.

so you are telling me Pak, Afghan, Bangla and SL play B teams because Asia cup is not important …. Ok. Next?

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

Doctor can’t do what a friend, philosopher and guide can do. I believe that’s why most of these youngsters worship the ground he walks on just like the prev Gen did for MSD

 

In that case, Tuk Tuk received all the guidances from coaches and senior players ... and all the players have credited Dhoni (so ... ... ...)  

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

so you are telling me Pak, Afghan, Bangla and SL play B teams because Asia cup is not important …. Ok. Next?

 

Nope, what he said is that those are not ICC trophies (in real world) 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

 

Nope, what he said is that those are not ICC trophies (in real world) 

I said ICC approved multi national tournaments just like CB series etc in Australia

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

I said ICC approved multi national tournaments just like CB series etc in Australia

 

Again check your facts,,, In that case, all tournaments are ICC backed ... Ind itself rested some players in those tournaments 

Edited September 1, 2022 by zen

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

so you are telling me Pak, Afghan, Bangla and SL play B teams because Asia cup is not important …. Ok. Next?

 

their first teams are mediocre themselves. And then yes they do experiment a bit for arriving at best team for WC. 

 

The pressure is just higher in WCs

 

 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

 

Again false post ,,, In that case, all tournaments are ICC backed ... Ind itself rested some players in those tournaments 

And a few main ones were injured due to lack of focus back in the day   But still we won.

 

Why do you seem so hell bent on proving It’s not a big deal  I am assuming you didn’t enjoy those wins ??!

[zen]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

And a few main ones were injured due to lack of focus back in the day   But still we won.

 

Why do you seem so hell bent on proving It’s not a big deal  I am assuming you didn’t enjoy those wins ??!

 

Because it is not a big deal ... I enjoyed Ind v SA in Ind too. Personal enjoyments do not make a series ICC or become a medium to give unnecessary credit to someone (it is actually criminal to give credit including of individual players performances to other individuals, ignoring the hard work put in by those players) 

 

PS Talk about the tangible performances on field with bat and/or ball, along with fielding. 

Edited September 1, 2022 by zen

[maniac]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Because it is not a big deal ... I enjoyed Ind v SA in Ind too. Personal enjoyments do not make a series ICC or become a medium to give unnecessary credit to someone (it is actually criminal to give credit including of individual players performances to other individuals, ignoring the hard work put in by those players) 

It’s obviously a team game. However every time our foreign minister or home minister do something great, credit is given to the PM of India just like our best achievements outside of Aus series was winning important tournaments of significant diplomatic, historical and geographical importance like Asia cup and Nidihaas. The general gets the credit and this case it is Rohit a proven master mind behind IPL and champions league wins and a former WT20 and CT winner as a player where he won important awards for contribution.

[zen]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

It’s obviously a team game. However every time our foreign minister or home minister do something great, credit is given to the PM of India just like our best achievements outside of Aus series was winning important tournaments of significant diplomatic, historical and geographical importance like Asia cup and Nidihaas. The general gets the credit and this case it is Rohit a proven master mind behind IPL and champions league wins and a former WT20 and CT winner as a player where he won important awards for contribution.

 

Not necessarily true ... Aus won two world cups under Ponting, where his captaincy is not a big factor ... It is how the teams and players, along with the opponents, were set up (similarly for teams like MI and Ind in Asia Cup). 

 

If someone is going to "steal" credit from the team and even players saying because of Ponting, McGrath, Bevan, Martyn, Gilchrist, Hayden, or whoever did well, it is going to sound extremely dumb 

 

PS Show tangibles where Tuk Tuk was a game changer with his own performance as a batsman or fielder or bowler

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by zen