Adelaide oval match was a case of getting outbatted on a flat pitch

[vvvslaxman]

Lett us understand one thing clear. We were out-batted.  Both teams did not get any purchase from the surface. But only one side realized it and punished everyone severely.  Indian top order is trying to get away from this by blaming bowlers just because we lost by 10 wickets. If not 10 wickets we would have lost by 8 or 5 wickets. We were going to lose irrespective bowlers picked up wickets or not defending such a mediocre score. We need a versatile bowling unit. Pace, swing, wrist spin.  Sure we can have all that. Will that save us if our batsmen don't show up?  We all saw what England did to Rashid khan on a flat pitch in 2019 world cup. They bulldozed everyone into pulp.  This conservative 6 over approach with no intent has to be addressed first.  

 

India vs BD , 186 at Adelaide oval , LItton das was gunning it down until thatt divine run out

India vs England 168 at Adeliade oval, why are we shocked we were outbatted. 

 

Against Pakistan 31/4

Against SA 49/5

 

On the same track Rohit got out to a sub 100 strike rate batting 10 overs.

 

Lion's share of blame has to be attached to batsmen regardless of how much Rohit trying deflect through his "pseudo" spokesman.

 

I am glad cricviz statistically called Rohit out. As per the report Indian bowlers bowled better lengths than England's 

 

https://www.cricviz.com/who-was-to-blame-for-indias-defeat/

 

Ball-tracking data suggests Rohit was wrong to say his bowlers didn’t bowl the right lines.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Take this match for example

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-england-2022-1276893/england-vs-india-1st-t20i-1276904/full-scorecard

 

Even after first wicket loss. Hooda maintained the momentum by thrashign Moeen/Topley. SKy and Hooda added 43 runs in 3.5 overs. That is the kind of belligerence we needed. Not completely shutting down after 2 wickets.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

The bowling was poor as was the powerplay batting but should have batted much better against their spinners,lost out on 20 runs there,thats supposedly our strength .

 

COrrected.

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Take this match for example

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-england-2022-1276893/england-vs-india-1st-t20i-1276904/full-scorecard

 

Even after first wicket loss. Hooda maintained the momentum by thrashign Moeen/Topley. SKy and Hooda added 43 runs in 3.5 overs. That is the kind of belligerence we needed. Not completely shutting down after 2 wickets.

hooda is not suitable for oz pitches though. the big issue was having SKY, pandu, and pant too low down the order. they should become our top 3

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

hooda is not suitable for oz pitches though. the big issue was having SKY, pandu, and pant too low down the order. they should become our top 3

 

OZ pitches? That was flat like Rajkot pitch. Pretty much all the pakistani hackers enjoyed these pitches. They struggled only at Perth and MCG. Let us not put all the OZ pitches in one bucket. KL Rahul and Rohit are supposed to be OZ pitch specialists what did they do?

Edited November 12, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[Vijy]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

OZ pitches? That was flat like Rajkot pitch. Pretty much all the pakistani hackers enjoyed these pitches. They struggled only at Perth and MCG. Let us not put all the OZ pitches in one bucket. KL Rahul and Rohit are supposed to be OZ pitch specialists what did they do?

even the flat pitches here are nowhere as flat as some Ind and NZ pitches. also, where am I defending our top 3? they have consistently been the biggest reason for poor performance, along with our pace bowling contingent

[vvvslaxman]

Pandya struggled against bounce in all the pitches. Come Adelaide he was like a dynamite.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Vijy said:

even the flat pitches here are nowhere as flat as some Ind and NZ pitches. also, where am I defending our top 3? they have consistently been the biggest reason for poor performance, along with our pace bowling contingent

 

Not true. Every Indian bastman since the days of Harbhajan singh has enjoyed batting in Australia. Especially taller guys like Hooda would have batted well. He did well against Western Australia didn't he?

[Vijy]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not true. Every Indian bastman since the days of Harbhajan singh has enjoyed batting in Australia. Especially taller guys like Hooda would have batted well. He did well against Western Australia didn't he?

scored 22, 6, and 0 in the 3 games in perth. wouldn't call that doing well. bhajji may have done better, but he is not in the squad

[vvvslaxman]

Indian batting order cannot be rigid. NO more standard  1,2,3.  This has to stop with this Rohit sharma/Rahul/Dhawan. 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Indian batting order cannot be rigid. NO more standard  1,2,3.  This has to stop with this Rohit sharma/Rahul/Dhawan. 

yes, let's have kela, brat, and rahane instead... all alternatives seem poor too

Edited November 12, 2022 by Vijy

[Majestic]

They outbatted us which is fine because they are capable of outbatting any team on a flat pitch. However, I am sure other teams would have taken 3-4 wickets atleast and not bottled it with figures of 171/0 in 16 overs. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

scored 22, 6, and 0 in the 3 games in perth. wouldn't call that doing well. bhajji may have done better, but he is not in the squad

 

22 was a cameo.  If we use the same yardstick none of our batsman should be playing. I honestly think India missed a trick of not playing him against Englsih spinners. They got away with 7 overs of 41 runs.. Most of the pka batsmen are hacks. Everyone has issue against bounce including Babar. they brutalized South African attack at the SCG. Shadab made 50 in 20 balls. So what did our "bounce pitch" specialists do? They got reduced to 49 for 5.  You need attitude first in T20.  From a technical stand point is SKY better than Kohli or others? Heck SKY's IPL strike rate is  far less than his international cricket. He has the attitude and fearlessness. We should value such qualities over these useless metrics.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Majestic said:

They outbatted us which is fine because they are capable of outbatting any team on a flat pitch. However, I am sure other teams would have taken 3-4 wickets atleast and not bottled it with figures of 171/0 in 16 overs. 

 

What difference it makes we lose by 6 wickets. We still lose. 

[vvvslaxman]

This was one of those pitch you have to go from ball 1 till 20th over. Pandya's innings was the proof. He struggled whole world T20. He was able to thrash 147 kph ball at will. Ball was coming on nicely. Hardly any bounce. He could flat bat balls for sixes.

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

22 was a cameo.  If we use the same yardstick none of our batsman should be playing. I honestly think India missed a trick of not playing him against Englsih spinners. They got away with 7 overs of 41 runs.. Most of the pka batsmen are hacks. Everyone has issue against bounce including Babar. they brutalized South African attack at the SCG. Shadab made 50 in 20 balls. So what did our "bounce pitch" specialists do? They got reduced to 49 for 5.  You need attitude first in T20.  From a technical stand point is SKY better than Kohli or others? Heck SKY's IPL strike rate is  far less than his international cricket. He has the attitude and fearlessness. We should value such qualities over these useless metrics.

if we need a spin basher, Iyer should have been chosen in the squad. he is the best of the current lot IMO. iyer used to bowl a long time ago like SKY. both stopped it altogether

Edited November 12, 2022 by Vijy

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, Majestic said:

They outbatted us which is fine because they are capable of outbatting any team on a flat pitch. However, I am sure other teams would have taken 3-4 wickets atleast and not bottled it with figures of 171/0 in 16 overs. 

they gave up after initial onslaught.

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

they gave up after initial onslaught.

that's their default mojo. give up

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Vijy said:

if we need a spin basher, Iyer should have been chosen. he is the best of the current lot IMO. iyer used to bowl a long time ago like SKY. both stopped it altogether

 

DK is supposed to be good against high pace lol Even Ashwin outbatted him comfortably.  Iyer was also ridiculed for not being able to handle bounce in OZ like our specialists guys did. Only Kohli handled well.  Pandya hit the air more than anything else until this match. At the end of the day in each match it was our batting against spin that let us down. Nobody to take them on. ONly guy we did well against was Nawaz.

 

Spinners economy is 7.16 against Indians

[vvvslaxman]

Right arm spin (off/leg) against INdians in this world cup is second worst only ahead of Ireland. 6.11