rkt.india Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, putrevus said: What is point in Bhuvi bowling with new ball, he never picks any wickets. he himself once said he does not bowl to pick wickets. he bowls to contain. it was such a ridiculous statement. A bowler's job always is to pick wickets first and contain second. singhvivek141, express bowling, Mosher and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, rkt.india said: he himself once said he does not bowl to pick wickets. he bowls to contain. it was such a ridiculous statement. A bowler's job always is to pick wickets first and contain second. This guy has cost India multiple trophies like his batting counterpart KL Rahul. Both of them have created this image of greatness when they are anything but great. Siraj is showing how valuable taking wickets with new ball is for any team. Edited April 21, 2023 by putrevus express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, putrevus said: Bhuvi was bowling at those speeds in IPL for long time, what did he do in his career after he increased his speed. IMO 138-142 is not good enough unless you bring lot of other skills with ball. 138-142 you also need height where you can get bounce . Trundler below 135 have to be extremely skillful with the ball to be successful in whiteball cricket in India on a consistent basis even then they will be hit and miss. Bhuvi was devastating even at 135kph with his natural swing. He only detiorated off after he reduced his pace to 130. Bhuvi was never a 138kph bowler ever. Also, his peak was good 4-5 years back. He is liability now with his sub 130 pace. Coming back to speed, I do believe 138-142 is good enough provided you have skills to back it up. BUMRAH, SHAMI and SIRAJ are not tall but bowl in 138-142 consistently and have skills to back up their decent pace. Height is a major asset but not a deal breaker. And we have seen it with Siraj that he can crank it up to 145 because his base pace is 138 -140. So pace can be cranked up a little bit as you play more internationals. No bowler can crank it up to 145 of his base pace is 132-135 ( Avesh or Mavi ceiling) So, for me the first priority is the base pace ( 138-142). Non negiotable. Second is height. Huge advantage of you are over 6 Ft. Not a deal breaker though as all of our beat three seamers are below 6 Ft. But thay does not mean that you can be very short even if you have pace. This is the same reason Nagarkoti may not make it ever because he is too short for my liking. Third is skill. This is crucial because you need to have some skills to survive at international level or even franchise level. But skills can be learned if you play games consistently. Example Haris Rauf was very raw but had pace + decent height + well built. He lacked in skills though and was mascarred regularly in international cricket. But Pakistan didn't give up on him and he learned all tricks on job. Edited April 21, 2023 by deepdynamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4Speed Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) But the problem is if you wont back young pacers like Umran,Tyagi and Sen..when they will learn skills.. ot of these 3..I seriously believe we are wasting Tyagi very much..he would be a great asset if groomed well...they just nee dto get him consistent..has all.. height pace and bounce yorkers movement just groom him to get more consistent..and work on his fitness... Edited April 21, 2023 by Need4Speed Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Most teams want finished products from the start so they wont develop the youngster pacers. They want someone else to do the job for them Suhaan, express bowling and deepdynamo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 10 hours ago, putrevus said: What is point in Bhuvi bowling with new ball, he never picks any wickets. He is KL Rahul of bowling....for him SR is overrated, for Bhuvi taking wickets is overrated. express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Need4Speed said: But the problem is if you wont back young pacers like Umran,Tyagi and Sen..when they will learn skills.. ot of these 3..I seriously believe we are wasting Tyagi very much..he would be a great asset if groomed well... I hope all 3 remain fit this year and BCCI allows them to play county cricket instead of rotting in the system. They aren't going to get any support due to dominance of trundlerism in Indian Cricket. Everyone wants a 125 kph line length trundler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Everyone wants a 125 kph line length trundler. BCCI must promote or invent crossover cricket where Indian men get to play alongside their women counterparts,it won't make any difference as these trundlers and low SR batsmen like Kela and Paddi,Koolie etc can only promote cricket globally BCCI must look into this,Indian men's side/prospects are most apt for this kind of idea singhvivek141, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Suhaan said: BCCI must promote or invent crossover cricket where Indian men get to play alongside their women counterparts,it won't make any difference as these trundlers and low SR batsmen like Kela and Paddi,Koolie etc can only promote cricket globally BCCI must look into this,Indian men's side/prospects are most apt for this kind of idea Great idea, it will give a message of Feminism, Wokeism and women empowerment to the cricketing world. Our CJI has anyway declared that there is no diff. between man and woman ...this would give stem to that message. Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: He is KL Rahul of bowling....for him SR is overrated, for Bhuvi taking wickets is overrated. For Bhuvi, bowling strike rate is over-rated. Mosher, singhvivek141, Suhaan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share Posted April 22, 2023 This is my perception. I may be wrong. Top Tier Fast bowlers Siraj Shami Bumrah ( injured) High Potential Fast bowlers Prasidh ( injured) Mohsin ( injured) Kuldeep Sen ( injured) Umran High potential but untested Tyagi Yudhvir Talented Trundlers Arshdeep Shardul ( can bat) Deepak Chahar (can bat) Oldies but still relevant somewhat Umesh Bhuvi Saini Natrajan Sandeep Mohit Washed out ( but still perceived by IPL franchise as legends) Unadkat Avesh Harshal Khaleel Rookies ( but not impressive so far)Deshpande Hangrekar Akash Singh Mukesh Sakariya Yash Dayal Yash Thakur Arshad Khan Arjun Tendulkar K Asif Akashdeep Vyshak Kejroliya Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Yudhvir is out from today's game...Lord Unadkut walks in MK55, deepdynamo and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share Posted April 22, 2023 So gutted to see Yudveer dumped after 2 games. Trundlers Avesh and Uandkat getting solid backing. Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Told u this trundler fetish runs deep and ain’t just restricted to Indian bowlers. Wood is dropped for Naveen ROFL. He must be totally confused lol. Happens only in this country. Mosher and Lone Wolf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MK55 said: Told u this trundler fetish runs deep and ain’t just restricted to Indian bowlers. Wood is dropped for Naveen ROFL. He must be totally confused lol. Happens only in this country. As I said to encourage fast bowlers, you need fast bouncy pitches. Pitches like these only encourage slow cutter bowlers. Edited April 22, 2023 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, rkt.india said: As I said to encourage fast bowlers, you need fast bouncy pitches. Pitches like these only encourage slow cutter bowlers. Those clowns also have a relatively faster red soil pitch. But too afraid of Joseph n Shami when you have Wood? Just too content to play on slow low bounce pitches to accommodate slower bowlers. But agree about pitches. This is probably the worst place in the world for fast bowlers. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, rkt.india said: As I said to encourage fast bowlers, you need fast bouncy pitches. Pitches like these only encourage slow cutter bowlers. How is Pakistan producing 145 k bowlers then? Bowling fast does not mean they cannot bowl slower deliveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, putrevus said: How is Pakistan producing 145 k bowlers then? Bowling fast does not mean they cannot bowl slower deliveries. Apart from Rauf none is 145 consistently,new recruits are yet to play more Shaheen is trundling and Naseem too is 138-139 bowler singhvivek141 and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Excited to see Arjun bowl today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 hours ago, putrevus said: How is Pakistan producing 145 k bowlers then? Bowling fast does not mean they cannot bowl slower deliveries. Even we have as many 145 bowlers but if you want all of them to play, you need different pitches. On pitches like these even I will fill my team with cutter and spin bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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