Remembering Sehwag at Chennai

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Are you kidding, One Mark Wood won a test with all helmets and protection.

 

Those four bowlers are 1000 times better bowlers than Wood. Great fast bowlers will always be handful.

Aus have fast bowlers too. They were not as quick as Wood.

 

Even such bowlers will be less effective on slow or spin tracks against ATG batting lineup. Cummins has failed everytime he came in India.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

Aus have fast bowlers too. They were not as quick as Wood.

 

Even such bowlers will be less effective on slow or spin tracks against ATG batting lineup. Cummins has failed everytime he came in India.

Holding was as quick as anyone and WI bowlers were better than Australian bowlers. Noway England was winning against WI in that test.They only had two bowlers (Cummins and Starc) and still made match out it.WI would have blown away England on that bouncy wicket.

 

The relentless accuracy along with pace and bounce of that WI attack is un matched.

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Holding was as quick as anyone and WI bowlers were better than Australian bowlers. Noway England was winning against WI in that test.They only had two bowlers (Cummins and Starc) and still made match out it.WI would have blown away England on that bouncy wicket.

 

The relentless accuracy along with pace and bounce of that WI attack is un matched.

 

How does current Aus attack matter?

 

Aus of 2000s also had relentless bowlers,both pace and spin.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

How does current Aus attack matter?

 

Aus of 2000s also had relentless bowlers,both pace and spin.

They did not have , Lee was leaking runs everywhere, Jason Gilspse while accurate was not an ATG fast bowler.

 

WI had 4 ATG fast bowlers who would smash any Australian team into submission in any test series . There is no answer for having 4 ATG fast bowlers all operating at the same time.

 

Aussies were not even in the same ball park as those WI teams.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They did not have , Lee was leaking runs everywhere, Jason Gilspse while accurate was not an ATG fast bowler.

 

WI had 4 ATG fast bowlers who would smash any Australian team into submission in any test series . There is no answer for having 4 ATG fast bowlers all operating at the same time.

 

Aussies were not even in the same ball park as those WI teams.

 

WI pace attack was definitely best ever but that's just one element.

 

Would they survive current workload? Those days they were always fit and fresh.2000s was also era of flat pitches where even mediocre batsmen averaged 50 plus.

 

Its tough to compare across era especially when things were so different.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

WI pace attack was definitely best ever but that's just one element.

 

Would they survive current workload? Those days they were always fit and fresh.2000s was also era of flat pitches where even mediocre batsmen averaged 50 plus.

 

Its tough to compare across era especially when things were so different.

It is not tough to compare across era when it comes to ATG fast bowlers. They would smash any team anywhere. If flat pitches are there no  team is winning.

 

 

There is no team in history who can face that WI teams in a series and win.

 

 

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

It is not tough to compare across era when it comes to ATG fast bowlers. They would smash any team anywhere. If flat pitches are there no  team is winning.

 

 

There is no team in history who can face that WI teams in a series and win.

 

 

 

I'm comparing teams not pace attack.

 

There is no way to know how they would do in current era workload and on slow pitches.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

I'm comparing teams not pace attack.

 

There is no way to know how they would do in current era workload and on slow pitches.

They might have played less but when they played they would smash any team.

 

It was not just bowlers.That WI team's batting and keeping was great also. They had Haynes and Greenidge, followed by Richards, Lloyd and Gomes then Dujon. Their slip fielding and outfielding was outstanding.Their bowlers could bat also.They did not need any spinners to win matches.They were smashing teams in three or 4 days .

[Lord]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They might have played less but when they played they would smash any team.

 

It was not just bowlers.That WI team's batting and keeping was great also. They had Haynes and Greenidge, followed by Richards, Lloyd and Gomes then Dujon. Their slip fielding and outfielding was outstanding.Their bowlers could bat also.They did not need any spinners to win matches.They were smashing teams in three or 4 days .

Which is the best spinner they faced? And how well they do v him? Nothing like Warne or even McGill.

 

Aus also had Taylor,Waugh,Warne in slips. Very safe and reliable.Warne,Lee could bat.

 

 

[R!TTER]

47 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

How does current Aus attack matter?

 

Aus of 2000s also had relentless bowlers,both pace and spin.

They did not, they had McWarne & just their boring batters who'd pile on runs at the rate of knots & Oz would win on the back of scoreboard pressure. If they were so good how come they didn't chase any score in India, or SL the same year? Chicken sh!t huh 

[R!TTER]

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	1983-1990	27	47	1245.4	336	3080	167	9/52	15/123	18.44	2.47	44.7	17	6
MD Marshall (WI)	1983-1990	34	65	1297.3	307	3264	168	7/22	10/92	19.42	2.51	46.3	14	2
CEL Ambrose (WI)	1988-1990	13	26	514.2	118	1242	62	5/35	8/138	20.03	2.41	49.7	2	0
MA Holding (WI)	1981-1987	17	32	611.4	132	1698	84	6/21	11/107	20.21	2.77	43.6	7	1
J Garner (WI)	1981-1987	15	29	594.3	146	1586	72	5/51	9/108	22.02	2.66	49.5	3	0
Imran Khan (PAK)	1981-1990	29	46	1039.1	236	2600	115	7/40	11/121	22.60	2.50	54.2	6	2
TM Alderman (AUS)	1981-1990	20	37	903.3	216	2511	101	6/128	10/151	24.86	2.77	53.6	10	1
CA Walsh (WI)	1984-1990	28	53	909.3	187	2504	100	5/54	9/94	25.04	2.75	54.5	3	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-1990	21	36	783.5	184	1951	77	6/62	11/160	25.33	2.48	61.0	6	2
N Kapil Dev (IND)	1981-1990	45	70	1676.1	351	4875	149	8/85	8/85	32.71	2.90	67.4	9	0
GR Dilley (ENG)	1981-1988	18	29	605.5	126	1867	57	6/38	8/70	32.75	3.08	63.7	3	0
EJ Chatfield (NZ)	1983-1988	19	34	771.2	210	1929	57	6/73	10/124	33.84	2.50	81.1	3	1
GF Lawson (AUS)	1981-1989	23	37	913.2	179	2846	84	7/81	9/153	33.88	3.11	65.2	3	0
JG Bracewell (NZ)	1983-1990	24	41	864.1	208	2382	62	6/51	8/132	38.41	2.75	83.6	1	0
IT Botham (ENG)	1981-1987	29	46	1005.2	190	3221	82	5/41	9/133	39.28	3.20	73.5	4	0
JE Emburey (ENG)	1981-1988	24	38	1122.4	336	2482	62	7/78	7/114	40.03	2.21	108.6	5	0
RJ Shastri (IND)	1981-1990	35	54	1272.2	310	3071	70	5/125	8/179	43.87	2.41	109.0	1	0
Abdul Qadir (PAK)	1982-1989	24	39	1050.2	226	3063	66	7/96	10/211	46.40	2.91	95.4	3	1

 

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
GD McGrath (AUS)	2001-2005	26	52	995.5	326	2419	129	7/76	9/82	18.75	2.42	46.3	8	0
Shoaib Akhtar (PAK)	2001-2007	13	22	346.5	67	1102	55	6/30	11/78	20.03	3.17	37.8	6	1
SK Warne (AUS)	2001-2006	31	61	1453.3	284	4405	200	7/94	12/246	22.02	3.03	43.6	16	6
Mohammad Asif (PAK)	2005-2010	19	37	726.4	175	2160	96	6/41	11/71	22.50	2.97	45.4	7	1
DW Steyn (SA)	2006-2010	19	33	645.3	108	2351	90	7/51	10/108	26.12	3.64	43.0	7	2
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2010	14	27	477.5	103	1484	51	6/84	7/106	29.09	3.10	56.2	3	0
A Flintoff (ENG)	2001-2009	34	57	1114.1	229	3177	105	5/58	8/156	30.25	2.85	63.6	1	0
JN Gillespie (AUS)	2001-2005	29	58	1013.3	253	3062	100	5/39	9/80	30.62	3.02	60.8	3	0
MJ Hoggard (ENG)	2001-2008	32	58	1120.4	240	3610	117	7/61	12/205	30.85	3.22	57.4	5	1
GP Swann (ENG)	2008-2010	13	24	666.2	124	1917	61	5/54	9/164	31.42	2.87	65.5	5	0
M Muralidaran (SL)	2001-2009	25	39	1282.1	237	3682	116	8/70	11/132	31.74	2.87	66.3	7	3
SM Pollock (SA)	2001-2006	26	50	1096.0	294	2827	89	6/39	9/94	31.76	2.57	73.8	3	0
MG Johnson (AUS)	2008-2010	21	40	781.3	134	2674	82	6/73	10/132	32.60	3.42	57.1	3	1
Z Khan (IND)	2001-2010	34	59	1220.0	248	4132	126	5/29	9/134	32.79	3.38	58.0	5	0
M Morkel (SA)	2008-2010	17	30	555.4	108	1866	56	5/54	7/113	33.32	3.35	59.5	1	0
DJ Bravo (WI)	2004-2010	25	34	595.5	114	1955	57	6/55	6/84	34.29	3.28	62.7	2	0
A Kumble (IND)	2001-2008	33	60	1622.1	280	5226	149	8/141	12/279	35.07	3.22	65.3	6	1
B Lee (AUS)	2001-2008	30	60	1015.2	182	3711	104	5/59	8/110	35.68	3.65	58.5	2	0

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by R!TTER

[Vijy]

having seen both attacks, I rate WI as slightly better even if Aus was more multidimensional (spinners like warne, mcgill, and miller). the reason is that Aus had 2 great bowlers, 1 very good (gillespie), and 1 ordinary (lee/kaspers). whereas WI had 4-6 great bowlers. apart from the main pace quartet, likes of tony gray and colin croft were genuinely fab bowlers.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

People always have nostalgia bias. For us 80's kids who grew up watching cricket since the 90's, that Aussie team from 1999 till the end of the 2007 World Cup will always remain the greatest team ever. For guys who grew up watching cricket since the 70's, the WI team from 1976 till about 1988 will remain the greatest.

 

I wish I got to see cricket since the 60's (only because of the Garry Sobers factor). I would have loved to watch the 70's and the 80's which I missed.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

having seen both attacks, I rate WI as slightly better even if Aus was more multidimensional (spinners like warne, mcgill, and miller). the reason is that Aus had 2 great bowlers, 1 very good (gillespie), and 1 ordinary (lee/kaspers). whereas WI had 4-6 great bowlers. apart from the main pace quartet, likes of tony gray and colin croft were genuinely fab bowlers.

Lucky you!

[goose]

The Aus XI was missing Ponting of course but his record in India was horrendous. This was a full strength ATG XI. If you doubt how good that side was Eng had an open top bus parade and were feted by the PM after beating them

at home a year later in 2005. 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, goose said:

The Aus XI was missing Ponting of course but his record in India was horrendous. This was a full strength ATG XI. If you doubt how good that side was Eng had an open top bus parade and were feted by the PM after beating them

at home a year later in 2005. 

Eng didn't face their greatest nemesis, McG, on the 2005 tour. in the 1 test he played, he obliterated them. although warney gets more attention and hype, McG was the one that the Eng really feared... and for good reason. along with hadlee, the finest fast-medium (i.e., not fast or express pace) bowler post-WW2

Edited July 19, 2023 by Vijy