bharathh Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 RESULTS ON DAY 3. GOLD MEDAL: Equestrian (Dressage Team Event) SILVER MEDAL: Neha Thakur (Sailing) in Girl's Dinghy ICLA4 BRONZE MEDAL: Eabad Ali (Sailing) in Men's Windsurfer RS:X Men's Hockey: India beat Singapore 16-1 in Pool A match Boxing: Sachin Siwach enters round-of-16 with 5-0 verdict against Indonesia's Asir Udin Shooting: Manu Bhaker (1st), Esha Singh (3rd), Rhythm Sangwan (11th) at the end of Precision stage in Women's 25m Pistol event. Rapid stage takes place tomorrow. Tennis: Ankita Raina wins in round 3, Rutuja Bhosale loses. Yuki Bhambri and Ankita Raina win mixed doubles round 2 match. Swimming: Shivangi Sarma finishes 17th in Women's 100m Freestyle qualification; fails to reach final. Shooting: Divyansh Singh Panwar/Ramita lose to Korea in bronze medal match in 10m air rifle mixed team event. Fencing: Bhavani Devi loses 7-15 in quarterfinals to China's Shao Yuqi. Volleyball: India men's team finish sixth after losing 3-0 to Pakistan. deepdynamo and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the don Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Pakistan’s volleyball team has potential, need to invest in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, the don said: Pakistan’s volleyball team has potential, need to invest in them. Potential to be good at Asian level, at best. High school teams from Brazil, Cuba, USA etc will fancy their chances against Pak men. There is a reason i don't get excited when we do well in sailing, rowing, athletics, swimming in Asian Games or TT, badminton, shooting, wrestling, weightlifting in CWG. We aren't dominant in any of these sports....come the Olympics, the East Asians will sweep TT, badminton, diving etc. and goras, blacks will sweep athletics, swimming, rowing, sailing etc. Not to forget we don't face USA and many of the European powerhouses in any of these games. Same with football, even if we improve by leaps and bounds, simply don't see us reach anywhere close to elite level in my lifetime. Edited September 26, 2023 by Gollum rollingstoned and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 Pak is definitely ahead of India in volleyball. Beat us in 2018 as well, ranked higher. At least they have the good sense to appoint a Brazilian as coach, we are stuck with an Indian dude who will probably be 20 years behind in thinking. nitinbwj and Lone Wolf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 At least win kabaddi this time, in 2018 we lost both men's and women's finals to Iran, who ironically were being coached by Indians. First time ever we returned home without gold, was a shameful result. nitinbwj and rollingstoned 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 Want Pak to do well in hockey, one sport where I have soft corner for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 2022 Asian Games medal table Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total 1 China* 53 29 13 95 2 South Korea 14 16 19 49 3 Japan 8 20 19 47 4 Uzbekistan 5 6 11 22 5 Hong Kong 5 4 10 19 6 India 3 4 7 14 7 Indonesia 3 1 5 9 8 Chinese Taipei 2 3 3 8 9 Thailand 2 0 5 7 10 Iran 1 4 5 10 11 United Arab Emirates 1 1 3 5 12 Tajikistan 1 1 1 3 13 Macau 1 0 2 3 14 Kyrgyzstan 1 0 0 1 15 North Korea 0 3 2 5 16 Kazakhstan 0 2 6 8 17 Mongolia 0 2 4 6 18 Malaysia 0 2 2 4 19 Vietnam 0 1 5 6 20 Brunei 0 1 0 1 Sri Lanka 0 1 0 1 22 Philippines 0 0 2 2 23 Afghanistan 0 0 1 1 Bangladesh 0 0 1 1 Jordan 0 0 1 1 Kuwait 0 0 1 1 Lebanon 0 0 1 1 Singapore 0 0 1 1 Turkmenistan 0 0 1 1 Totals (29 entries) 100 101 131 332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, Gollum said: 2022 Asian Games medal table Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total 1 China* 53 29 13 95 2 South Korea 14 16 19 49 3 Japan 8 20 19 47 4 Uzbekistan 5 6 11 22 5 Hong Kong 5 4 10 19 6 India 3 4 7 14 7 Indonesia 3 1 5 9 8 Chinese Taipei 2 3 3 8 9 Thailand 2 0 5 7 10 Iran 1 4 5 10 11 United Arab Emirates 1 1 3 5 12 Tajikistan 1 1 1 3 13 Macau 1 0 2 3 14 Kyrgyzstan 1 0 0 1 15 North Korea 0 3 2 5 16 Kazakhstan 0 2 6 8 17 Mongolia 0 2 4 6 18 Malaysia 0 2 2 4 19 Vietnam 0 1 5 6 20 Brunei 0 1 0 1 Sri Lanka 0 1 0 1 22 Philippines 0 0 2 2 23 Afghanistan 0 0 1 1 Bangladesh 0 0 1 1 Jordan 0 0 1 1 Kuwait 0 0 1 1 Lebanon 0 0 1 1 Singapore 0 0 1 1 Turkmenistan 0 0 1 1 Totals (29 entries) 100 101 131 332 So many random countries do better than most of our neighbors... It's shameful how unathletic the subcontinent really is. Poverty alone cannot be the reason. Only thing going for them is uncontrollable population. Gollum and nitinbwj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: So many random countries do better than most of our neighbors... It's shameful how unathletic the subcontinent really is. Poverty alone cannot be the reason. Only thing going for them is uncontrollable population. No sports culture unfortunately. In the west sports culture grew organically, in places like China, Iran and Cuba the state took measures. nitinbwj and Lone Wolf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the don Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 47 minutes ago, Gollum said: Potential to be good at Asian level, at best. High school teams from Brazil, Cuba, USA etc will fancy their chances against Pak men. There is a reason i don't get excited when we do well in sailing, rowing, athletics, swimming in Asian Games or TT, badminton, shooting, wrestling, weightlifting in CWG. We aren't dominant in any of these sports....come the Olympics, the East Asians will sweep TT, badminton, diving etc. and goras, blacks will sweep athletics, swimming, rowing, sailing etc. Not to forget we don't face USA and many of the European powerhouses in any of these games. Same with football, even if we improve by leaps and bounds, simply don't see us reach anywhere close to elite level in my lifetime. The Asian level would be a start. Got to start somewhere. Atm there is no infra and nobody is playing any of these sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the don Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 43 minutes ago, Gollum said: Want Pak to do well in hockey, one sport where I have soft corner for them. Is Hockey popular in india at the grassroots level. In pakistan ive never seen anyone play the sport in the cities. The only reason cricket is popular at the grassroots is due to tape ball. Even hard ball cricket isnt played by too many. Cricket will continue to survive due to tape ball, wonder how hockey can be made popular amongst the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 Uzbeks, Kazakhs too have adopted that Soviet/Chinese mindset/policy.....take talented children away from parents and train them from a young age. Reason why they overachieve. Even in chess, same story, the old Soviet way. Pretty sure same scene will be playing out in North Korea, Mongolia and the other 'stans' (though not as impressive as UZB, KAZ). I mean Indonesia and Malaysia have combined 350-400 million people and they don't win anything at Olympics level apart from badminton. Philippines has won only 1 Olympic gold in its history. Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia together have 0 Olympic medals in their history. @Lone Wolf even the SE Asians are bad. At least India, Pakistan have achieved greatness in 2 global sports, cricket and hockey for extended periods of time. rollingstoned, Lone Wolf and Mariyam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, the don said: Is Hockey popular in india at the grassroots level. In pakistan ive never seen anyone play the sport in the cities. The only reason cricket is popular at the grassroots is due to tape ball. Even hard ball cricket isnt played by too many. Cricket will continue to survive due to tape ball, wonder how hockey can be made popular amongst the masses. Only in rural Punjab, Odisha and one or two centres in Jharkhand, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Madhya Pradesh. In most states interest is too low, basically we are being carried by Punjab and the tribal belt of central/east India. Heard about a couple of cities/towns being the hubs of hockey in Pak....Sialkot? Sargodha? Anyway most of Pakistan's sporting success stories (hockey, squash, cricket) are because of Nur Khan. Your hockey achievements especially owe a lot to him, in fact the sport itself owes a lot to him. He also built so many astro turfs in Pak, India overtook that number just 10 years ago....that's how great Pak's hockey infrastructure was once upon a time. Remember Dhanraj's interview in Sportstar in the early 00s when he said his rivals in Pak were earning 10 times the money he was making that time. Edited September 26, 2023 by Gollum the don, Lone Wolf, Mariyam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, Gollum said: Uzbeks, Kazakhs too have adopted that Soviet/Chinese mindset/policy.....take talented children away from parents and train them from a young age. Reason why they overachieve. Even in chess, same story, the old Soviet way. Pretty sure same scene will be playing out in North Korea, Mongolia and the other 'stans' (though not as impressive as UZB, KAZ). I mean Indonesia and Malaysia have combined 350-400 million people and they don't win anything at Olympics level apart from badminton. Philippines has won only 1 Olympic gold in its history. Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia together have 0 Olympic medals in their history. @Lone Wolf even the SE Asians are bad. At least India, Pakistan have achieved greatness in 2 global sports, cricket and hockey for extended periods of time. That's a good point about autocratic regimes also the rigid system of local government to centre is so perfect for nurturing talent, even USA could not beat prime USSR. Only the US collegiate system comes close imo. I am against torturing young 5 year olds through rigorous training for the sake of bragging rights at these events. Culture is always a factor in some ways... Cuba with no resources & no money produces Best boxers. Team sports could actually improve though... We are built for it naturally. Sports like Rugby, volleyball should be encouraged more at grassroots I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 9 hours ago, the don said: Is Hockey popular in india at the grassroots level. In pakistan ive never seen anyone play the sport in the cities. The only reason cricket is popular at the grassroots is due to tape ball. Even hard ball cricket isnt played by too many. Cricket will continue to survive due to tape ball, wonder how hockey can be made popular amongst the masses. Can't speak for all of India, but Hockey has 0 popularity in Mumbai and most places in India that I have been to. Never seen anyone play hockey. I always thought hockey stick sales were driven by Bollywood in the 80s and 90s where the goons would invariably carry hockey sticks. the don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Shooting: India wins gold in women’s 25m pistol team event Shooting: India wins silver in women’s 50m 3 positions team Good start to the day in the shooting team events and more to come in the individual event as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 More good news coming.... Women’s 50m rifle 3P individual final - GOLD AND BRONZE FOR INDIA. Sift Kaur Simra wins the gold medal with a World Record!! Sandz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Women shooters have lived up to their billing. Hopefully Manu maintains her lead and wins a gold as well shortly. Men's skeet team in bronze position atm. The lady who won bronze choked on her last shot to win silver to the Chinese lady. Pity. deepdynamo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Great start in Shooting today 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze so far. Also coming up... Manu Bhaskar is hot favorite for Gold in women’s 25m pistol individual event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 minute ago, bharathh said: Women shooters have lived up to their billing. Hopefully Manu maintains her lead and wins a gold as well shortly. Men's skeet team in bronze position atm. The lady who won bronze choked on her last shot to win silver to the Chinese lady. Pity. Yes, silver was there for the taking...she just had to shot normally in 10.0-10.2 range to win the silver but she choked. But, good effort overall. bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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