Axar position is untenable now

[R!TTER]

57 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Actually, Chahal was very important for the first 2 wins against  SA and Australia. Took important wickets and kept both batting lineups in check.  

 

Kuldeep was the worst of the 3 spinners going into that semi. Everybody played him well including SL and BD. Only PAK played him badly. 

 

And Kuldeep was probably the highest-rated spinner going into the World Cup. Also, our highest-rated spinner going into this World Cup as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean sure he started well but it was clear his performances fell of a cliff after that first two games! Also the game vs Oz in particular was won due to our batting, take it for what you will but chasing 350+ in a WC is still not easy. This is after the first two games & as a matter of fact take the minnows out & you'll see Behaal was easily the worst of the three -

 

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Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
YS Chahal	6	6	54.0	0	329	6	2/36	54.83	6.09	54.0	0	0
Kuldeep Yadav	5	5	48.0	2	236	5	2/32	47.20	4.91	57.6	0	0
RA Jadeja	2	2	20.0	0	74	2	1/34	37.00	3.70	60.0	0	0

 

Now you could say this is extreme cherry picking, or IMO you aren't giving enough credit to our batters for the first two wins! When the going got really tough you can see what Behaal did, but whatever it's in the past now so nothing we can do.

 

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Kuldeep Yadav	3	3	29.0	1	162	4	2/32	40.50	5.58	43.5	0	0
YS Chahal	4	4	37.0	0	254	2	1/50	127.00	6.86	111.0	0	0
RA Jadeja	2	2	20.0	0	74	2	1/34	37.00	3.70	60.0	0	0

Edited September 13, 2023 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

The analysts & overpaid glorified coaching staff should be able to see who's doing better/worse as the tournament progresses but I guess with our culture & nepo babies underperformers will get an extended gig/permanent stay in the team just because someone from the TM likes that player more! To add further to the above point - as far as I'm concerned the b'ggest reason we lost the semi was Dhongi, not Behaal, then probably the team selection & number 3/4 on that list would be him.

[Lord]

Has it become tenable again?

 

Anyway hes injured now.

[R!TTER]

No 

 

Jadeja's hardly an upgrade over him but Axar's bowling is horrible right now!

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

No 

 

Jadeja's hardly an upgrade over him but Axar's bowling is horrible right now!

 

I think we need a batsman more. Tilak or Sundar are good choices.

[R!TTER]

Sundar's a direct replacement for Axar but we also need to replace this guy, what the * is he still doing in this squad?

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Sundar's a direct replacement for Axar but we also need to replace this guy, what the * is he still doing in this squad?

 

:mi quota

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Sundar's a direct replacement for Axar but we also need to replace this guy, what the * is he still doing in this squad?

 

Answer is in your image lol

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I think we need a batsman more. Tilak or Sundar are good choices.

 

Make Pandya bowl 8 overs atleast. That way you can use Iyer to bowl a couple of overs. You can have Rinku singh in the side as finisher. Yuvraj singh offered 7 or 8 overs. That is where we miss someone badly. You can play a deep batting line up with that combo.

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Make Pandya bowl 8 overs atleast. That way you can use Iyer to bowl a couple of overs. You can have Rinku singh in the side as finisher. Yuvraj singh offered 7 or 8 overs. That is where we miss someone badly. You can play a deep batting line up with that combo.

 

yes big problem is that only. We need 5th and 6th bowler each capable to bowl 8 overs atleast. Otherwise once a bowler is targetted there is no plan B.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

yes big problem is that only. We need 5th and 6th bowler each capable to bowl 8 overs atleast. Otherwise once a bowler is targetted there is no plan B.

 

India has to compromise on something. Against Bangladesh with a better tail most teams would have won the match.  

[Lord]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

India has to compromise on something. Against Bangladesh with a better tail most teams would have won the match.  

lol we talk about batting depth. We had all the depth yesterday, still top order batted like sissies. Rahul scored 19 off 38.

 

Can't blame tail for yesterday.

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

India has to compromise on something. Against Bangladesh with a better tail most teams would have won the match.  

Considering it's a spin track

Bumrah, Pandya, Siraj as quicks

Kuldeep, Jadeja, Sundar as spinners

 

Hope Bumrah can contribute 12-14 runs with bat and Kuldeep maybe 8-10 runs in 10-12 balls.

No hopes from Siraj, every run from him is a lottery.

Edited September 16, 2023 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Make Pandya bowl 8 overs atleast. That way you can use Iyer to bowl a couple of overs. You can have Rinku singh in the side as finisher. Yuvraj singh offered 7 or 8 overs. That is where we miss someone badly. You can play a deep batting line up with that combo.

Iyer is not fit, even if he somehow plays you want a semi fit batter to bowl as well ?

 

Better ask Ishan Kishan to roll his arm and bowl some spin, that can surprise the opponent (and us as well).

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Considering it's a spin track

Bumrah, Pandya, Siraj as quicks

Kuldeep, Jadeja, Sundar as spinners

 

Hope Bumrah can contribute 12-14 runs with bat and Kuldeep maybe 8-10 runs in 10-12 balls.

No hopes from Siraj, every run from him is a lottery.

 

They should be able to hit a six. I am not sure Kuldeep can hit a six even if you bowl the most halwa delivery he can face. Most of the time the tailenders will be required to get one or two boundaries. 

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

They should be able to hit a six. I am not sure Kuldeep can hit a six even if you bowl the most halwa delivery he can face. Most of the time the tailenders will be required to get one or two boundaries. 

True..Kuldeep can't hit. I just expect him to rotate the strike and that's all.

His batting has declined a lot..earlier he used to atleast hit fours, now he is just a blocker.

[Lord]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

True..Kuldeep can't hit. I just expect him to rotate the strike and that's all.

His batting has declined a lot..earlier he used to atleast hit fours, now he is just a blocker.

He should come after Siraj/Shami. Atleast they can hit fours

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

He should come after Siraj/Shami. Atleast they can hit fours

 

Bishnoi is much more wiry. But he has worked on big hitting. He even hit a six in the recent match. Once he starts adding more variety to his bowling he will be ready to partner Kuldeep. 

[MediumPacer]

If hardik was reliably fit ,i would have gone in with only 2 bowlers(1 pacer and a spinner) and hardik ,but need likes of symonds, yuvraj, jayasuriya,root to fill in these conditions.

 

 

having said that Axar's batting against spin is his strong suit,he is one of the better players of spin in India.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

India has to compromise on something. Against Bangladesh with a better tail most teams would have won the match.  

Everybody who is a cricket fan worth his/her salt has to read "Hitting Against the spin" by Ben Jones and Nathan Leamon.

 

When something has to be compromised in ODI cricket, it is always bowling. 

 

Bowling winning you tournaments is the most abused and nonsensical idea in cricket. 

 

Only batting depth - real batting depth with real batsmen will win you World Cups. 

 

The depth allows batsmen at the top to bat aggressively because they know there are proper batsmen all the way upto 6 at least but maybe 7 and even 8. 

 

There should never be a compromise on batting depth and batting strike rates. 

 

This team with Kishan at 5(on a spinning pitch), allrounder at 6 - is absolutely set up for failure. 

 

Because, by design, it cannot and will not succeed.