Nikhil_cric Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, First class said: Now you're exaggerating it , Hasan Ali is definitely older than his stated age and Chacha Iftikhar is the champion of age fudging , other players are close to their stated age , I think. I'm not. Most of them are overaged. Maybe not Fakhar. But there is enough reason to suspect Wasim jnr. , Shadab , Nawaz, etc. Like I said, the likes of Rizwan and Abdullah Shafique played under 19 for too long and started off too young, officially. That is high probability of age fudging. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 9 hours ago, First class said: An age fudger, he himself needs some tonic to get some energy. What happened to Ihsanulla. He looks good. Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: What happened to Ihsanulla. He looks good. Naseem, Ihsnullah, Hasnain, Ahsan Iqbal are all injured. Whereas Mohd Amir is on exile. Hassan Ali return is no less than undertaker returns out of the grave. Time for a redemption arc? Let’s see Edited September 24, 2023 by Sharjah-Harjah Link to comment
First class Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 19 hours ago, rkt.india said: What happened to Ihsanulla. He looks good. Injured , just had an elbow surgery . Link to comment
First class Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Many potential replacement of Naseem shah are also in injury list but still there are many fit and playing in domestic FC season far better than Hasan Ali, like Arshad Iqbal, Dhani, Zaman Khan , Ahmed Jamal and many. Link to comment
Throwaib_Chuckter Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, First class said: Many potential replacement of Naseem shah are also in injury list but still there are many fit and playing in domestic FC season far better than Hasan Ali, like Arshad Iqbal, Dhani, Zaman Khan , Ahmed Jamal and many. Their Parchis (slips) are not ready yet. Chuckte Raho TC clownkiller and First class 2 Link to comment
Autonomous Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 We are crashing out of first round. Link to comment
Vijy Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Autonomous said: We are crashing out of first round. just play naseem, rauf, and shaheen and you will be fine. this "excuse" about naseem being injured is overblown. he can play WC and then go recuperate later. pakistani bowlers have a short life anyways, so might as well as play him now Edited September 25, 2023 by Vijy Link to comment
Autonomous Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Vijy said: just play naseem, rauf, and shaheen and you will be fine. this "excuse" about naseem being injured is overblown. he can play WC and then go recuperate later. pakistani bowlers have a short life anyways, so might as well as play him now Batting kisne karni hai? Fakhar is done Imam is selfish Salman agha is mediocre Chachu is minnow basher Shadab is fake all rounder Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, First class said: Many potential replacement of Naseem shah are also in injury list but still there are many fit and playing in domestic FC season far better than Hasan Ali, like Arshad Iqbal, Dhani, Zaman Khan , Ahmed Jamal and many. Dahani was getting smashed by Zimbabwe , Zaman is not an ODI bowler . He's a T20 death bowler and that's about it. Ahmed Jamal is officially 35 (possibly older). The only real alternative was Arshad Iqbal , who is a good new ball bowler but I think they suspect he has fitness issues. Also, in reality he is around 26 with little international experience . So it's understandable why they went for Hasan who is alright in the middle overs no matter how much he sucks with the new ball. Arshad should have been in reserves ahead of Zaman Khan . The truth is PAK management know that there are no real replacements of Naseem 's calibre who are ready for the World Cup . And that's why they've gone back to Hasan. Ahmed Jamal lmao. Edited September 25, 2023 by Nikhil_cric Link to comment
Vijy Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Dahani was getting smashed by Zimbabwe , Zaman is not an ODI bowler . He's a T20 death bowler and that's about it. Ahmed Jamal is officially 35 (possibly older). The only real alternative was Arshad Iqbal , who is a good new ball bowler but I think they suspect he has fitness issues. Also, in reality he is around 26 with little international experience . So it's understandable why they went for Hasan who is alright in the middle overs no matter how much he sucks with the new ball. Arshad should have been in reserves ahead of Zaman Khan . The truth is PAK management know that there are no real replacements of Naseem 's calibre who are ready for the World Cup . And that's why they've gone back to Hasan. Ahmed Jamal lmao. they should play even half fit naseem if they want a deep run Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Autonomous said: Batting kisne karni hai? Fakhar is done Imam is selfish Salman agha is mediocre Chachu is minnow basher Shadab is fake all rounder Babar, Rizwan are your nucleus. If they are fit and performing well, these electrons which are circling around that nucleus will find a way to contribute. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 hours ago, First class said: Many potential replacement of Naseem shah are also in injury list but still there are many fit and playing in domestic FC season far better than Hasan Ali, like Arshad Iqbal, Dhani, Zaman Khan , Ahmed Jamal and many. Lol Zaman Khan isn't international class... Another gun barrel straight product. He looked nothing special. Could be a T20 specialist though... Dahani for all his flaws is leagues above him in terms of Talent & potential. Wasim Jnr is also below average gun barrel straight bowler. Arshad Iqbal is one to watch out for & Zeeshan Zameer. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Vijy said: they should play even half fit naseem if they want a deep run I'd have picked Dahani... He could click on his day at least. There is no upside in picking a short Trundler Hasan Ali on Indian pitches. Big hitting sides would murder him. He has no wicket taking threat. Vijy 1 Link to comment
the don Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Arshad iqbal was the only realistic new ball replacement for Naseem. Hassan ali can only work with an old ball in the middle overs. He might suck completely but if there is reverse somehow he will have a good time. Ihsanullah was the most talented replacement but he is out injured. Naseem is impossible to replace because he is the best all phase bowler. Hopefully hassan will get reverse swing and will add to the batting depth. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, the don said: Arshad iqbal was the only realistic new ball replacement for Naseem. Hassan ali can only work with an old ball in the middle overs. He might suck completely but if there is reverse somehow he will have a good time. Ihsanullah was the most talented replacement but he is out injured. Naseem is impossible to replace because he is the best all phase bowler. Hopefully hassan will get reverse swing and will add to the batting depth. There is no reverse swing in India... Or at least not as Hasan's pace. Outfield is lush & not like Pakistani ones. Only express pacers or pros like Starc types may find some lil bit reverse. Two new balls take out reverse for Trundlers almost entirely. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Lol Zaman Khan isn't international class... Another gun barrel straight product. He looked nothing special. Could be a T20 specialist though... Dahani for all his flaws is leagues above him in terms of Talent & potential. Wasim Jnr is also below average gun barrel straight bowler. Arshad Iqbal is one to watch out for & Zeeshan Zameer. Zaman is international class but in T20's only. Dahani has a lot of potential but doesn't have the numbers and apparently doesn't have the attitude to learn and improve is what I've heard. Wasim Jnr. has limited new ball skill but gets more reverse than any other bowler playing nowadays with that round arm ish action and is a threat in the middle overs especially in ODI's. I thought Arshad Iqbal would have been the obvious replacement for Naseem considering he hits the deck and even swings the new ball and bowls good areas and heat. Got to be fitness standards or lack of experience. He is their only seamer of sufficient quality who is ready to make the jump and play ODI cricket . Rest are all too raw or injured or lost their way etc. There's no way Zaman is better than him lol. Link to comment
the don Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: There is no reverse swing in India... Or at least not as Hasan's pace. Outfield is lush & not like Pakistani ones. Only express pacers or pros like Starc types may find some lil bit reverse. Two new balls take out reverse for Trundlers almost entirely. Bas phir buhat maar khaye gaa Hassan. Pace shoulf be finr. Ive seen him get more reverse than others , so if there is any he will find it. Saw shami getting some in the first game, fingers crossed. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Zaman is international class but in T20's only. Dahani has a lot of potential but doesn't have the numbers and apparently doesn't have the attitude to learn and improve is what I've heard. Wasim Jnr. has limited new ball skill but gets more reverse than any other bowler playing nowadays with that round arm ish action and is a threat in the middle overs especially in ODI's. I thought Arshad Iqbal would have been the obvious replacement for Naseem considering he hits the deck and even swings the new ball and bowls good areas and heat. Got to be fitness standards or lack of experience. He is their only seamer of sufficient quality who is ready to make the jump and play ODI cricket . Rest are all too raw or injured or lost their way etc. There's no way Zaman is better than him lol. On Pakistani pitches Wasim Jnr did get reverse in middle phase... Their rugged outfields & square aid in that regard. But on most places he is useless. Has utility in T20 though like Zaman who is even more limited with death over quality. Dahani Idk if he was backed enough. His basics were fine. Has got skill unlike Zaman or Wasim & bit of X factor. Bowlers coming out of age group cricket are relatively better quality wise for Pakistan rather than PSL scouts who are T20 products & not long term prospects. Hence likes of Zeeshan Zameer should be given more chances in future than Wasim Jnr or Zaman. Link to comment
Vijy Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: On Pakistani pitches Wasim Jnr did get reverse in middle phase... Their rugged outfields & square aid in that regard. But on most places he is useless. Has utility in T20 though like Zaman who is even more limited with death over quality. Dahani Idk if he was backed enough. His basics were fine. Has got skill unlike Zaman or Wasim & bit of X factor. Bowlers coming out of age group cricket are relatively better quality wise for Pakistan rather than PSL scouts who are T20 products & not long term prospects. Hence likes of Zeeshan Zameer should be given more chances in future than Wasim Jnr or Zaman. none of them are good enough compared to naseem. might as well as play him even if he's hobbling Link to comment
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