Sundar Supremacy Supporters Unite!

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No future in LOI cricket for specialist finger spinners. But I forget India still plays LOI cricket like it's 1996 so good chance of him becoming the new Jadeja.

 

Not sure he has the intelligence and drive of an Ashwin to be a top class Test off spinner.

 

Bleak future I'm afraid 

he is not a bowler or bowling AR. in tests, he is suited for being 5th bowler or even 6th bowler. likewise in ODIs.

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

if he reaches shakib level, he will become one of the greatest ARs of the era, which is what shakib is

Not a huge feat considering from his era, Stokes and Jadeja are the only contenders. Also, Shakib in Test cricket clearly hasn't faced the big guns enough to warrant an ATG spot. Neither he doesn't want to given how he skipped few matches which he gets to face against them. Across formats, Shakib probably has a strong case but in Tests, I would put Stokes and Jadeja both slightly ahead of him. Need to look beyond numbers too especially for a spin A/R playing in spinning conditions mostly.

 

All three- Stokes, Shakib and Jadeja are country greats and below Kapil, Botham and Imran among the all rounders.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Majestic

[MediumPacer]

3 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Yuvraj was smoking peak Lee to all corners, albeit on a dead track, at 22-23 in Oz tri series! He also had a stellar ODI series in Pak in 2006, was one of the main reasons why we won alongside SRT, MS & Pathan. He has a really really long way to go to be compared to him.

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2000-2017	304	278	40	8701	150	36.55	9924	87.67	14	52	18	908	155	Profile
filtered	2000-2005	119	106	12	2736	139	29.10	3199	85.52	2	17	6	286	30

 

 

This is Yuvraj  at 23 in odis,

 

lot more experience but not much success with the bat .

[mani sha]

He needs to play in this World Cup . He is a top order batsman and a fine off spinner . 

[Sandz]

Only in test cricket, could be a Jaddu replacement, in 2027.

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

This is Yuvraj  at 23 in odis,

 

lot more experience but not much success with the bat .

That 139 was in Oz against the best LO side ever.

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

That 139 was in Oz against the best LO side ever.

No McGrath, no Warne. Best side how?

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

shardul took 7 wkts in the match and scored a clutch 50. for me, he was the unsung hero of Gabba.

 

this does not take away from sundar's great batting in both innings, and also bowled usefully

First inns yes, in second inns he threw his wkt courtesy of a foolish shot. 

That was immediately after Sundar's got out..

If in that moment Pant have also gotten out, we would have seriously lost the match despite playing out of skin for the entire day.

[Chalks]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

No McGrath, no Warne. Best side how?

Warne didn't play in 03 WC (that was when his 12 month drug ban began).

[MediumPacer]

57 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

That 139 was in Oz against the best LO side ever.

By that logic he should have dominated after that fabulous start against aus when he took on lee,McGrath, Gillespie in kenya as a teenager,but it doesn't work like that.

 

 

In any case ,I am not saying sundar is at par with yuvraj,but potential is there.

[R!TTER]

And I'm saying Yuvraj was fundamentally a superior player that that point in time, ATG Indian fielder, utility bowler & upcoming batter. Sundar for me is good for tests, in LO he needs to really up his game & fielding to be a regular.

[MediumPacer]

11 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

And I'm saying Yuvraj was fundamentally a superior player that that point in time, ATG Indian fielder, utility bowler & upcoming batter. Sundar for me is good for tests, in LO he needs to really up his game & fielding to be a regular.

He performance was quite mediocre and was being backed on potential.A guy who averages 29 with the bat after 100 odis,how good can he be? If he were playing now icf would have been screaming for him to be dropped.

 

 

On record almost everybody is better than sundar atm,we aren't discussion that.