straighttalk Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Kuldeep has just started ..he is far from atg. Indian team has a weakness which is a long tail and lack of part timers. Real test is yet to come. Bowling in dew is not going to be easy ..England is woefully short of confidence and form.if both Rohit and Kohli fails...it is going to be a big test. Chasing 350 plus totals will be hard but hopefully the knockout pitches will make it 280 but equally tight. The reason I bring this up is we are following the 2019 script where kohli Rohit and Dhawan peppered over lot of cracks until they all failed. Team is as strong as the weakest link and you can bet opposition will try to attack that vulnerability. Link to comment
Lord Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 23 hours ago, dilliboy said: The current Indian team in my opinion has at least 5 players who will walk in into our all time ODI XI - Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah, Shami and Kuldeep. And to top it all, all of them are peaking at the right time in this WC. Once again this team has shown that it is far and away the best side in these conditions. The most complete bowling attack and the most technically equipped batsmen in these conditions. The opposition team needs to play out of their skins and only a freak innings by a maverick player like Maxwell or Klaasen can potentially stop this juggernaut. This is India's World Cup too lose and it will be tragedy of the highest order if this team doesn't keep the trophy home. Don't think Shami and Kuldeep will be in our all time XI as yet. Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Kumble Srinath Zaheer Bumrah Link to comment
Norman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Lmao Srinath and Kumble over shami and Kuldeep.. Link to comment
deathmonger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 hours ago, Lord said: Don't think Shami and Kuldeep will be in our all time XI as yet. Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Kumble Srinath Zaheer Bumrah Naah Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid/Ganguly Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Jadeja Bumrah Shami Kuldeep 3 pacers 3 spinners (including Yuvi). Batting till 8. Dev - 253 @ 27.45 Shami - 180 @ 24.65 Kuldeep - 162 @ 25.65 Bumrah - 143 @ 23.40 Kumble - 334 @ 30.83 Srinath - 315 @ 28.08 Zak - 269 @ 30.11 These guys have more wickets but the average difference is too much. Thing is as India keeps becoming richer and richer and ICT keeps getting stronger the all time XI will keep having new players. In the ODI team only Kapil and test only Gavaskar and Kapil among those who have played cricket before 2000. Test XI - Gavaskar Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Kohli Pant Kapil Jadeja Ashwin Shami Bumrah ODIs Dravid, Jadeja, Shami will be replaced within 10-20 years Tests Sehwag, Kohli, Shami within 10-20 years Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Lord said: Don't think Shami and Kuldeep will be in our all time XI as yet. Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Kumble Srinath Zaheer Bumrah ODI or Test ? Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, deathmonger said: Naah Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid/Ganguly Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Jadeja Bumrah Shami Kuldeep 3 pacers 3 spinners (including Yuvi). Batting till 8. Dev - 253 @ 27.45 Shami - 180 @ 24.65 Kuldeep - 162 @ 25.65 Bumrah - 143 @ 23.40 Kumble - 334 @ 30.83 Srinath - 315 @ 28.08 Zak - 269 @ 30.11 These guys have more wickets but the average difference is too much. Thing is as India keeps becoming richer and richer and ICT keeps getting stronger the all time XI will keep having new players. In the ODI team only Kapil and test only Gavaskar and Kapil among those who have played cricket before 2000. Test XI - Gavaskar Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Kohli Pant Kapil Jadeja Ashwin Shami Bumrah ODIs Dravid, Jadeja, Shami will be replaced within 10-20 years Tests Sehwag, Kohli, Shami within 10-20 years Disagree about the replacement part. Dravid, Sehwag faced far superior bowling attacks than anything that will ever be presented in the coming years. It was at at a time, when all teams in the world fielded strong bowling attacks. SA, WI had weapons of mass destruction in their bowling attacks for starters. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 You cant pick the best XI purely on stats alone, you need to explore all the variables at play here. Its why SRT, Gavaskar will never be replaced as the number 1,2 batsmen for India, regardless of the performances in the coming years by new batsmen. Lord 1 Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Nothing less than a close heartbreaking Finals loss will be acceptable. Anything less will be a catastrophic failure of Indian Cricket, if India get knocked out in SEMI or lose badly in the Final. Link to comment
Sonix768 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 SA batting first at Mumbai and posting a 370+ score, like they have done twice already in this cup, is the only way I see India getting knocked out of this WC (they are the only big team that haven't eliminated India in an ICC tourney KO in the last ten years. This might as well be their chance ) . Otherwise no team/ scenario can eliminate India in these conditions. Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, deathmonger said: Naah Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid/Ganguly Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Jadeja Bumrah Shami Kuldeep 3 pacers 3 spinners (including Yuvi). Batting till 8. Dev - 253 @ 27.45 Shami - 180 @ 24.65 Kuldeep - 162 @ 25.65 Bumrah - 143 @ 23.40 Kumble - 334 @ 30.83 Srinath - 315 @ 28.08 Zak - 269 @ 30.11 These guys have more wickets but the average difference is too much. Thing is as India keeps becoming richer and richer and ICT keeps getting stronger the all time XI will keep having new players. In the ODI team only Kapil and test only Gavaskar and Kapil among those who have played cricket before 2000. Test XI - Gavaskar Sehwag Dravid Tendulkar Kohli Pant Kapil Jadeja Ashwin Shami Bumrah ODIs Dravid, Jadeja, Shami will be replaced within 10-20 years Tests Sehwag, Kohli, Shami within 10-20 years Just because Ambani and Adami families are getting richer, it doesn’t mean India is getting richer and Cricket is improving as a result of it. This is some weird logic I only find here. SA and Afg cricket are the most improved teams. However, their economy has not improved whatsoever. Anyway, Given IPL and ginormous size of India, Australia should not be the country with 5 ODI WC trophies. The 2000 generation of Indian cricketers were mentally superior to this lot in handling pressure. Let’s see if they can convert their hype into tangible outcome such as this WC trophy. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sonix768 said: SA batting first at Mumbai and posting a 370+ score, like they have done twice already in this cup, is the only way I see India getting knocked out of this WC (they are the only big team that haven't eliminated India in an ICC tourney KO in the last ten years. This might as well be their chance ) . Otherwise no team/ scenario can eliminate India in these conditions. Those post results are just so invalid and irrelevant its not funny. Useless stats. Now recent games played in India is much more valid and useless criteria to make assertions. However, your comment about SA scoring 370+ is very true and valid, I definitely can see India choking in that situation. I still hold firm belief the batting line up has yet to properly fire and it is the bowlers that have either flattered the batting or made it easy. Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Just because Ambani and Adami families are getting richer, it doesn’t mean India is getting richer and Cricket is improving as a result of it. This is some weird logic I only find here. SA and Afg cricket are the most improved teams. However, their economy has not improved whatsoever. Anyway, Given IPL and ginormous size of India, Australia should not be the country with 5 ODI WC trophies. The 2000 generation of Indian cricketers were mentally superior to this lot in handling pressure. Let’s see if they can convert their hype into tangible outcome such as this WC trophy. Ganguly was the chief architect of this strong mental mindset when he took on and beat the "invincible" Australian team with their winning streak at the time in 2001. Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Best Indian 11: Gambhir Ganguly (C) Kohli Yuvraj Dhoni Pandya Raina K Dev Harbhajan Zaheer Shami Edited October 31, 2023 by Sharjah-Harjah Link to comment
Sharjah-Harjah Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, SRT100 said: Ganguly was the chief architect of this strong mental mindset when he took on and beat the "invincible" Australian team with their winning streak at the time in 2001. Yup! He was a very good captain. The team has a no nonsense champion mindset Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Yup! He was a very good captain. The team has a no nonsense champion mindset I remember being so proud of the way that Ganguly took on Australia on his own, all sorts of mind games he played in that infamous series. IIRC didnt he take two wickets in the opening over of a test match, where India only fielded one pace bowler and 3 or 4 spinners? @express bowling would have hated seeing just one pace bowler picked for a test match. Sharjah-Harjah, Lord and express bowling 1 2 Link to comment
raki05 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 5:14 AM, Sharjah-Harjah said: While I agree that this is the most complete bowling unit for these conditions and the best team overall, I disagree that this is the best batting unit. Gill, Iyer, Sky and Kishan are all new-ish on world stage and they have not shown much of a potential in the WC pressure games yet. With Pandya potentially injured, batting is relying on able shoulders of Kohli and Rohit, but they can’t fire everyday. SA and Aus have more explosive and capable batting than India today. QDK, Bavuma, Markaram, VD Dussen, Klassen, Miller (no weak link) Head, Warner, Marsh, Smith, Lab, Maxwell. (lab weak link) NZ is also pretty pretty good. Lol at Bavuma and Dussen and same for Smith and Labu. BTW they are going to face Indian bowlers not pakistani bowlers. Till date AFG has highest score against us as we took them lightly, no 300 against us. express bowling 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 12:38 PM, deathmonger said: Iyer invested a lot in. Good stats as well. Let's see what these two do in the next few games. Its one way good that without performance of our young guns we reacehed this far…. Who knows suddenly gill and Iyer hit the form just before ko and then Pandya also be back rejuvenated. If these 3 folks hit the form even 2 of them and other senior folks maintain same consistency i think we would be covered. SRT100 and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
SRT100 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, raki05 said: Its one way good that without performance of our young guns we reacehed this far…. Who knows suddenly gill and Iyer hit the form just before ko and then Pandya also be back rejuvenated. If these 3 folks hit the form even 2 of them and other senior folks maintain same consistency i think we would be covered. Yes its the point I am making we need just another couple of guys n form to cater for in case Hitman, Gill and Kohli all fail in a final. Im confident that SKY can do this, I feel he has turned the corner. If Kohli didnt run him out a few days back, he would have scored that game as well. raki05 1 Link to comment
dilliboy Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 hours ago, Lord said: Don't think Shami and Kuldeep will be in our all time XI as yet. Rohit Sachin Kohli Dravid Yuvi Dhoni Kapil Kumble Srinath Zaheer Bumrah Kumble and Srinath had longevity but Shami and Kuldeep are statistically better in in terms of averages and strike rates. No doubt in my mind they are in my all time India ODI XI Link to comment
dilliboy Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said: Best Indian 11: Gambhir Ganguly (C) Kohli Yuvraj Dhoni Pandya Raina K Dev Harbhajan Zaheer Shami What a troll post Lol. Ganguly and Gamngiyy shouldn't be near an all time Indian XI in any conditions. Same goes with Harbhajan Link to comment
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