It will be a travesty if India don't win this World Cup

[dilliboy]

The current Indian team in my opinion has at least 5 players who will walk in into our all time ODI XI - Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah, Shami and Kuldeep. And to top it all, all of them are peaking at the right time in this WC.

 

Once again this team has shown that it is far and away the best side in these conditions. The most complete bowling attack and the most technically equipped batsmen in these conditions. The opposition team needs to play out of their skins and only a freak innings by a maverick player like Maxwell or Klaasen can potentially stop this juggernaut. This is India's World Cup too lose and it will be tragedy of the highest order if this team doesn't keep the trophy home.

 

[rageaddict]

In a knock out match anything can happen, I think this team deserves respect even if they have a bad match in one of the Knock outs. Other teams also have quality players who may have a good day in one of the matches and luck won't favour India. 

 

Even the table topper can lose here and a team ranked 4th on the table can win the WC.

[Mariyam]

So far no one has even come close to beating India.

 

Australia had us at 2/3 but after that we won that game and every other game convincingly.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

@dilliboy

 

@Mariyam  has spoken. Its done and dusted. Be rest assured. World Cup India mein hi rahega. 

 

 

[Lord]

We had a similar run 2015 where we not only won all the games, but bowled opposition out everytime.

 

Such things don't matter in knockouts pressure.

[deathmonger]

14 minutes ago, Lord said:

We had a similar run 2015 where we not only won all the games, but bowled opposition out everytime.

 

Such things don't matter in knockouts pressure.

Yeah but that was due to an easy group though.

 

SA was the only good opposition in our group and then we also played Bang in the QFs.

 

We had been thumped by Aus-Eng in the tri series before (also in the warmups). Also had gone 0-4 against NZ a year earlier.

 

2019 was better and we almost got close in SF even with DK, Pant etc in the middle order and that too had conditions change due to rain etc.

 

This team is prolly the best Indian bowling ever with some all time batsmen. Not saying we can't lose but it would take a lot to go wrong and right for the opposition for it to happen. And if it does, you can only say - well played.

 

In 2019 NZ had destroyed our top order in the warmups plus also that series in NZ earlier in the year in one of the matches. 2017 CT Sri Lanka had exposed middle order bowling in one of the games. 2015 like I said, we outperformed considering how badly we were being defeated by Aus throughout the year.

 

Our steps now are to finalize the lineup in the last few matches- Ashwin/Thakur, SKY/Iyer and then play the KOs. Nothing more can be done.

[dilliboy]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

We had a similar run 2015 where we not only won all the games, but bowled opposition out everytime.

 

Such things don't matter in knockouts pressure.

As already mentioned, we had a pretty easy group and QF in 2015. Australia and NZ were clearly the 2 best teams at that WC for those conditions.

2019 was a combination of a lot of factors - poor team selection (playing 4 WKs, not playing Shami) and the match being spread over 2 days with the NZ quicks getting the best of the conditions to bowl, which led to a freak top order collapse. Honestly, India's bowling is what makes me so confident, unless we get an injury, simply impossible for the opposition to attack more than one bowler consistently.

[cricketfan28]

Agree, we are the clear favorites so far

[deathmonger]

Sport is about preparing as many contingencies as possible so that they can kick in when needed. Anything beyond that is not in our power.

 

2019 and 2017 MO was poor. 2017 MO bowling was also poor.

 

This time we have prepped a good bowling attack, a good if slightly non-explosive batting. Now we just go out and give our best.

[neel roy]

Winning a round robin world cup

is the toughest.. its like a test match.. mathematically you are still in the world cup till round 6 of the tournament even if you lose couple of matches or more.. it tests patience skill tenacity and gives you a chance to come back.. its mathematically possible india still do not qualify for the semi final and so every game becomes important at certain stage.. similar to premier league..also even after playing well in group league one bad game( 2019 wc) can get you out.. so its the toughest format and if india wins they ll be the worthy champions.. in comparison to

that ICC champions trophy is 100 times easier.. you can literally win the CT by winning 4 matches ( pak 2017)..India in 2013 won 5/5 matches..

[deathmonger]

One thing I have liked is that here we have genuinely come back from tough situations even if we were not at our best.

 

Australia - top order collapse, still a comfortable win

NZ - Bad fielding and catching, still a comfortable win. Loved how Kuldeep came back

Eng - Bad batting, below par score, still a comfortable win.

 

Even Pak - they were comfortable at 155-2

 

 

 

[R!TTER]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

We had a similar run 2015 where we not only won all the games, but bowled opposition out everytime.

 

Such things don't matter in knockouts pressure.

Back then conditions did play a part & that SF had dubious decisions, but our reviews were outright denied when they both were *ing close! Also we chased, how many teams have won against pre tournament favorites/second favs & won chasing in a KO game?

[Sharjah-Harjah]

5 hours ago, dilliboy said:

The current Indian team in my opinion has at least 5 players who will walk in into our all time ODI XI - Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah, Shami and Kuldeep. And to top it all, all of them are peaking at the right time in this WC.

 

Once again this team has shown that it is far and away the best side in these conditions. The most complete bowling attack and the most technically equipped batsmen in these conditions. The opposition team needs to play out of their skins and only a freak innings by a maverick player like Maxwell or Klaasen can potentially stop this juggernaut. This is India's World Cup too lose and it will be tragedy of the highest order if this team doesn't keep the trophy home.

 

While I agree that this is the most complete bowling unit for these conditions and the best team overall, I disagree that this is the best batting unit.

Gill, Iyer, Sky and Kishan are all new-ish on world stage and they have not shown much of a potential in the WC pressure games yet. With Pandya potentially injured, batting is relying on able shoulders of Kohli and Rohit, but they can’t fire everyday. 
SA and Aus have more explosive and capable batting than India today.

QDK, Bavuma, Markaram, VD Dussen,  Klassen, Miller (no weak link) 

Head, Warner, Marsh, Smith, Lab, Maxwell. (lab weak link) 

NZ is also pretty pretty good.

 

[wanted_desi]

It will be like 2003/2007 Oz team not winning World Cup. Our bowling attack with Shami now is one of the greatest of all time. Our batting is clicking as well for most of times. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Still think Aussies are the only threat to this side. Only they have the class and experience to match our lineup. 

[rangeelaraja]

16 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

It will be like 2003/2007 Oz team not winning World Cup. Our bowling attack with Shami now is one of the greatest of all time. Our batting is clicking as well for most of times. 

 

 

Disagree there.

 

I would be very nervous chasing a near 300 total if both Rohit and Virat were to get out within the first 10 overs.

 

None of the other batters have shown enough consistency to inspire any kind of confidence.

 

The probability of both of them failing in the same game is reasonably high - they are afterall human.

 

The question is what are the other 4-5 batters going to make of it.  

 

SKY and Gill have been  inconsistent,  Pandya is still injured and not had game time batting.

 

KL is the kind of batsmen who can play an excellent support role when at his best - I have not seen him every stamp his authority and dictate a game when chips are down.

 

Our best hope is Virat and Kohli have all their collective bad days in the remaining 3 games against - Sri Lanka, RSA and Netherlands.....

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[Vijy]

44 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Disagree there.

 

I would be very nervous chasing a near 300 total if both Rohit and Virat were to get out within the first 10 overs.

 

None of the other batters have shown enough consistency to inspire any kind of confidence.

 

The probability of both of them failing in the same game is reasonably high - they are afterall human.

 

The question is what are the other 4-5 batters going to make of it.  

 

SKY and Gill have been  inconsistent,  Pandya is still injured and not had game time batting.

 

KL is the kind of batsmen who can play an excellent support role when at his best - I have not seen him every stamp his authority and dictate a game when chips are down.

 

Our best hope is Virat and Kohli have all their collective bad days in the remaining 3 games against - Sri Lanka, RSA and Netherlands.....

 

 

 

KO crumpling is loading again. too much dependence on Ro and Ko

[BH-BAIB]

Biggest travesty will be washout of  Pak v Eng last match. Two teams which won a WC by fluke will be playing for non existent pride 

[rangeelaraja]

4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

KO crumpling is loading again. too much dependence on Ro and Ko

 

In all the matches so far either one of Rohit or Virat has anchored an innings.

 

It cannot happen all the time. There will be a time when both collectively fail to anchor an innings.   Do we have 2-3 other reasonably reliable batters - who may not be as great - but they can fight it out in a clutch game ?  

[BH-BAIB]

9 minutes ago, Vijy said:

KO crumpling is loading again. too much dependence on Ro and Ko

If Rohit bats for 10 15 overs. KO won