Proud of team India

[AuxiliA]

10 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

Its a weak mindset and poor example.

 

Be strong and be stoic.

 

Im not against them being upset and even crying, but do so privately.

 

Steve Smith cried publicly during Sandpapergate and he really has never been the same player sense.

 

I dont recall SRT, Dhoni or Ganguly ever crying.

 

 

SRT, Dhoni and Ganguly never lost a WC final in which they were the (clear) favourites to win. 

 

Some loses hurt far more than others. This was one of them. It's end of an era for Indian cricket. 

[SRT100]

2 minutes ago, rish said:

What does age or being new have to do with opinions?

 

And i am neither young nor new.I have been on this site for 12 years.

 

Indian cricket has not fallen.It is doing very well save for the last obstacle.I would rate Gabba and the Aussie series win way over this.

It does, I have followed Indian Cricket for a while now. I have enjoyed many games and even the ones we lost, even if they were finals. I have seen this team change for the worse and I am hoping that someone will stand up and call it out. Im glad many posters are calling for changes to this team.

 

I am disgusted by this recent Indian Culture of self entitlement and status being applied to certain players at the detriment of youth and upcoming players.

 

A brilliant example is Pant and the poor way he was mistreated in his career. He almost singlehandedly won us the series in Australia and yet was not played in the 1st Test.

Pant is one example, there are many others.

[SRT100]

2 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

SRT, Dhoni and Ganguly never lost a WC final in which they were the (clear) favourites to win. 

 

Some loses hurt far more than others. This was one of them. It's end of an era for Indian cricket. 

India should never have felt they were clear cut favourites to win this WC.

That arrogance is partly to blame for their failure.

End of an era? Maybe Hitman may retire, make no mistake Kohli is not going anywhere.

[SRT100]

8 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

I'll add Fraudeja and Indian spinners as well. They mostly go missing in KO matches. Bumrah slightly redeemed himself though I think he won't play all the formats from here on. 

We need to play "specialist" players in the right format.

We have too many players in the team thinking they are good enough to play all three forms when clearly they are not.

[Frustrated]

4 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

SRT, Dhoni and Ganguly never lost a WC final in which they were the (clear) favourites to win. 

 

Some loses hurt far more than others. This was one of them. It's end of an era for Indian cricket. 

Except Rohit, it is going to be the same team with hardly 1 or 2 changes going forward.   No question of 'end of an era'

[AuxiliA]

4 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Except Rohit, it is going to be the same team with hardly 1 or 2 changes going forward.   No question of 'end of an era'

 

I don't think most of the current players will feature in the next WC in SA. Rohit, Shami and Jadeja surely won't. Even Kohli might not last that long. Who knows what kind of form/fitness Bumrah would be in by the next WC. Even Siraj will be 33+ in 2027. 

 

[SRT100]

1 minute ago, AuxiliA said:

 

I don't think most of the current players will feature in the next WC in SA. Rohit, Shami and Jadeja surely won't. Even Kohli might not last that long. Who knows what kind of form/fitness Bumrah would be in by the next WC. Even Siraj will be 33+ in 2027. 

 

 

The mistake youre making is thinking its about the players ability or age, its not players. Its a marketing brand. Their brand cannot afford retirement, it literally costs them millions.

 

Hitman, Shami and Jaddu have not shown no physical signs yet that they cannot play.

 

Madness of Indian Cricket, dictates they dont plan for the future, so I expect all of them to play in the next meaningless irrelevant ODI bilateral series.

 

There is no forward thinking. If anything this loss will strengthen their resolve to continue playing in order to have a redemption arc like a Bollywood villain.

[SRT100]

17 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Except Rohit, it is going to be the same team with hardly 1 or 2 changes going forward.   No question of 'end of an era'

If they cancel the buffet at the cricket, Hitman may retire.

[SRT100]

I actually thought Hitman was our best performing batsman in the Final.

 

Then again the bar is so low here, its not surprising.

[Khota]

I am going to be honest. I am not happy as they underperformed.

[SRT100]

Just now, Khota said:

I am going to be honest. I am not happy as they underperformed.

If we lost a close tight game, I would have been honestly proud, especially if a batsman and bowler put in a special performance and didnt choke.

It would be unlucky and actually hurt a lot more, but I can accept a narrow loss and be PROUD.

 

Australia simply outclassed us. Im not even sure we could have even defended 300+

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

If we lost a close tight game, I would have been honestly proud, especially if a batsman and bowler put in a special performance and didnt choke.

It would be unlucky and actually hurt a lot more, but I can accept a narrow loss and be PROUD.

 

Australia simply outclassed us. Im not even sure we could have even defended 300+

I would have had zero problems if India lost to a better team. When they lost to McGrath and all I was OK. This I cannot stand. I am pissed and angry.

 

You do not lose to team that is not better than yours. Heads need to roll.

[Khota]

14 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

If they cancel the buffet at the cricket, Hitman may retire.

I wish he could control his weight, but he was not the problem.

[Texan]

9 hours ago, Mariyam said:

And heads will roll. But does this loss, as hurtful as it is, negate the wonderful tournament we've had so far?

We lost to a top notch side. I'm not as hurt this time around as I was when we lost to a nobody NZ in the semis the last time around.

 

Also, in the real world, our (fans) reactions or lack thereof, have not much to do with the way the cricketing business is run in India.

 

Whose heads are going to roll? As usual, BCCI will find some meek lambs like SKY this time and won't actually address the root cause. Last time it was Dinesh Karthik who became the bakra. This time, it will be SKY.

 

Nobody will address the elephant in the room. Kohli, Rohit, Jadeja have now played in 5 ICC level KO games that we have lost (CT 2017, WC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2022, WC 2023). Shami and Bumrah have played 4. Do you think any of these heads are going to roll?

 

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Texan said:

 

Whose heads are going to roll? As usual, BCCI will find some meek lambs like SKY this time and won't actually address the root cause. Last time it was Dinesh Karthik who became the bakra. This time, it will be SKY.

 

Nobody will address the elephant in the room. Kohli, Rohit, Jadeja have now played in 5 ICC level KO games that we have lost (CT 2017, WC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2022, WC 2023). Shami and Bumrah have played 4. Do you think any of these heads are going to roll?

 

I don't think any of them was the issue. If finger pointing has to start, it starts with Dravid.

 

Fish decays from the head first.

[Khota]

And to hell with Kohli's 50 ODI centuries. Useless.

[Texan]

"Proud of team" posts on social media are so nauseating. Nobody seems to want some accountability. Why same players keep playing finals when they have lost so many? Only few folks on ICF question this. Most celebs are just happy to be "proud of the team". I still see most of them still celebrating Kohli's 50 hundreds. Nobody is questioning his temperament for high pressure finals. 

[Texan]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

I don't think any of them was the issue. If finger pointing has to start, it starts with Dravid.

 

Fish decays from the head first.

So Dravid was responsible for our last 5 sh!t shows in finals (semis in one case)?

 

Yes, I do think Dravid is to blame as well but is it fair to say that many of our so called experienced players let us down yet again? Doesn't it convey a message that these guys may just not be capable of getting the team past the final hurdle? Should we keep investing in such players?

[singhvivek141]

In pure cricketing sense, win or loss is part of the game. I guess everyone understands it and accepts it...what matters most is the learning curve, where we learn from our mistakes and we try to avoid them in future.

 

Unfortunately, for BCCI..they keep on repeating same mistakes and don't seem to learn anything from the failures.

 

Time and time again it has been discussed to create backup for Pandya, all we get is the fake allrounders like Dube, Shankar etc who are primarily batters. Venkatesh Iyer was doing okaish but suddenly dropped from the scheme of things when Hardik came back. No focus was given on grooming allrounders like Bawa. This becomes very important as we don't have batters who can bowl unlike in 2011 where we had Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar all capable of bowling.

 

Bowlers who can bat is always an asset, time and time again we have discussed the need of a bowling allrounder at no 8. A proper fast/spin bowler who can score runs with the bat. We went into this WC expecting Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep to contribute with the bat. They are good for 8-10 runs....but you can't expect 25-30 run inns from them. In comparison we had Bhajji & Zak who can tonk the ball if needed.

 

Specialist finishers at 6-7 is must in any format. When I say specialist I mean the batters who has experience in batting at that position, who knows how to bat with the tail, farm the strike and hit big. Both Jadeja & SKY were incapable of doing that, SKY was never a no 6/7 batter (we did same mistake with Hooda as well) while Jadeja simply in an incapable batter under pressure. We need to play batters like Abhinav Manohar, Rinku Singh who bat at no 6/7 and understand how to bat with tail.

 

Lastly, KL is not a solution. No matter how asthetically pleasing he looks with bat and keeping, when the pressure is on...the demons in his mind will take over impacting his abilities. He is not the first player who has this issue, ABDV too had that, but such players always need happy scenarios to perform on big stages...he has fear of failure and no matter how glorified his 50 over stats are, we need to move away from him..it's been 4 WC's (2019,2021,2022,2023)...enough for anyone to judge where he lacks.

 

Anyway, enough of rant. I doubt if BCCI or these cricketers even care a damn about these trophies. They will cry for few seconds to get the media coverage and PR machinery activated..then will go to their hotel rooms and will enjoy the night, because they know ki Indian public are fools.

Edited November 20, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Suhaan]

Kohli will stay and TM may Rohit as well(ideally they both should now call it a day,they had a fantastic career but need to just let it go)

If there is even a fraction of sense left they should groom all 4 fast bowlers for WC in SA

As most of our fast bowlers are same age, so without wasting time they should start grooming potential India prospects like Tyagi,Kuldeep,Harshit, Mayank,Umran,Prasidh on war footing

Arrange as many A tours to Aus,SA as possible

Bring in new guys who won't carry this mental baggage

Rinku,Tilak,Jaiswal make them bowl in every match

Fast bowlers too need to bat and hit, enough of this 1D cricket,we are loosing a lot due to this