The obsession with landmarks

[BacktoCricaddict]

Commentary following Kohli's dismissal:

 

 

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Arshdeep Singh to Kohli, OUT

...Chasing his 100th hundred in all formats and only eight runs away from the IPL's 100th hundred, Virat Kohli falls at deep extra cover. Arshdeep went full and wide and Kohli sliced this shot well, perhaps too well! ...

 

Enough with the 100s already.

[cricketfan28]

Yes ..I don't  think  future players will go after milestones ..another couple of years it will be gone.

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Commentary following Kohli's dismissal:

 

 

Enough with the 100s already.

It was as evident as anything the moment he scored century vs Afghanistan.

 

Kohli is after 100 100's and hence BCCI will ensure every support to him till he gets there.

[Mariyam]

Massive help in finding places before the advent of google maps.

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Massive help in finding places before the advent of google maps.

After studying routes on a map, females tend to give directions that feature landmarks and left/right turns, whereas males include more cardinal and distance information. It is plausible this difference results from disparate attention to these features during exploration of a map.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14607168/#:~:text=After studying routes on a,during exploration of a map.

 

 

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

It was as evident as anything the moment he scored century vs Afghanistan.

 

Kohli is after 100 100's and hence BCCI will ensure every support to him till he gets there.

he will need to play for 3-4 more years, but I am sure BCCI is fine with it

Edited May 10, 2024 by Vijy

[Chaos]

Ask Babar, he will say how to reach milestones. His milestones, start at 20, like dirty pakistan itself.

[MumInd]

nothing new here...

this is an indian tradition...

 

started with sachin.....

 

and continues to this day.....

 

disgraceful...........

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, MumInd said:

nothing new here...

this is an indian tradition...

 

started with sachin.....

 

and continues to this day.....

 

disgraceful...........

started with kapil and sunny, not everything began with sacchu

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

started with kapil and sunny, not everything began with sacchu

 

This fascination of 100s did start with SRT. Yes, Gavaskar and Kapil were stats obsessed but SRT took that to a different level altogether. Did you recall his race for 100th 100? He literally lost India the game (and Asia Cup) with that slow crawl tohis 100th 100. And even after the match was lost, he was over the moon at scoring his 100th 100, team be damned!

 

Gavaskar always went for his milestones (individual100s) but he never had a target (e.g., 50 100s). He retired at peak when he was still performing and could've targeted 40 100s but he didn't. Kapil went after Hadlee's record of 431 wkts at the time but retired immediately when he got there. He did push his career by 1-2 years but not by years and years - he was still our highest wkt taker on our tour to Aus in 1992.

[singhvivek141]

21 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This fascination of 100s did start with SRT. Yes, Gavaskar and Kapil were stats obsessed but SRT took that to a different level altogether. Did you recall his race for 100th 100? He literally lost India the game (and Asia Cup) with that slow crawl tohis 100th 100. And even after the match was lost, he was over the moon at scoring his 100th 100, team be damned!

 

Gavaskar always went for his milestones (individual100s) but he never had a target (e.g., 50 100s). He retired at peak when he was still performing and could've targeted 40 100s but he didn't. Kapil went after Hadlee's record of 431 wkts at the time but retired immediately when he got there. He did push his career by 1-2 years but not by years and years - he was still our highest wkt taker on our tour to Aus in 1992.

He was forced.

Kapil told after retirement that he wanted to play 96 WC as well, but selectors that time had more spine and they asked him to step down as Srinath was getting wasted due to non availability of slots.

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He was forced.

Kapil told after retirement that he wanted to play 96 WC as well, but selectors that time had more spine and they asked him to step down as Srinath was getting wasted due to non availability of slots.

 

96 would've been way too much for him. He was barely trundling in 1994. Plus by 96 Srinath and Prasad had cemented themselves with Prabhakar around, and likes of Ankola on the fringes. But the point is that till Gavaskar and Kapil, the love & glory-hunting for milestones wasn't at the same level as what's now. Things changed with Tendulkar and his race for 100 100s. And Kohli and others are going on the same path.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

96 would've been way too much for him. He was barely trundling in 1994. Plus by 96 Srinath and Prasad had cemented themselves with Prabhakar around, and likes of Ankola on the fringes. But the point is that till Gavaskar and Kapil, the love & glory-hunting for milestones wasn't at the same level as what's now. Things changed with Tendulkar and his race for 100 100s. And Kohli and others are going on the same path.

Well that was his plan.

Gavaskar too was chasing Bradman's record of 29 centuries and he bettered it with 34.

Anyway...you're right Sachin was perhaps the one who benefitted most of the milestone. He transitioned through an era where BCCI turned from a cash deprived board to a cash surplus board. 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Well that was his plan.

Gavaskar too was chasing Bradman's record of 29 centuries and he bettered it with 34.

Anyway...you're right Sachin was perhaps the one who benefitted most of the milestone. He transitioned through an era where BCCI turned from a cash deprived board to a cash surplus board. 

 

 

Gavaskar was chasing 29 100s but he was performing throughout. Even towards the end, he was pretty consistent. He didn't have to cost us a match/tourney against a minnow going for his milestones. What Gavaskar did was on par for every player at the time. Look at Boycott or other players and literally everyone played for 100s as Tests was the main format at the time. But Tendulkar took it to a different level, and now it's reached such a level that it impacts our team selection with glory-hunters and stats padders first names on the team sheet.

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This fascination of 100s did start with SRT. Yes, Gavaskar and Kapil were stats obsessed but SRT took that to a different level altogether. Did you recall his race for 100th 100? He literally lost India the game (and Asia Cup) with that slow crawl tohis 100th 100. And even after the match was lost, he was over the moon at scoring his 100th 100, team be damned!

 

Gavaskar always went for his milestones (individual100s) but he never had a target (e.g., 50 100s). He retired at peak when he was still performing and could've targeted 40 100s but he didn't. Kapil went after Hadlee's record of 431 wkts at the time but retired immediately when he got there. He did push his career by 1-2 years but not by years and years - he was still our highest wkt taker on our tour to Aus in 1992.

kapil prolonged career by about 2-3 years, and he did pursue hadlee's record. SRT was great till early 2011, and prolonged his int'l career by about 2 years. not much of a difference between him and kapil.

[New guy]

On 5/11/2024 at 7:52 AM, MumInd said:

nothing new here...

this is an indian tradition...

 

started with sachin.....

 

and continues to this day.....

 

disgraceful...........

Started way before with sunny and kapil

[New guy]

15 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This fascination of 100s did start with SRT. Yes, Gavaskar and Kapil were stats obsessed but SRT took that to a different level altogether. Did you recall his race for 100th 100? He literally lost India the game (and Asia Cup) with that slow crawl tohis 100th 100. And even after the match was lost, he was over the moon at scoring his 100th 100, team be damned!

 

Gavaskar always went for his milestones (individual100s) but he never had a target (e.g., 50 100s). He retired at peak when he was still performing and could've targeted 40 100s but he didn't. Kapil went after Hadlee's record of 431 wkts at the time but retired immediately when he got there. He did push his career by 1-2 years but not by years and years - he was still our highest wkt taker on our tour to Aus in 1992.

Sachin was struggling from ball 1 in that innings, you make it sound that he just slowed in the end. He was genuinely struggling for timing that entire innings. Kohli was playing same strike rate as him.

 

And we lost because we couldn't defend 287 against Bangladesh, a total Bangladesh had NEVER chased against a non minnow till then. But dhoni captaincy PR very easily deflected his insipid captaincy in that match to Sachin struggles. 

 

I always find it funny how India fans exaggerate how long Sachin overstayed. Sachin had one of the SHORTEST run of bad form before retiring 

 

In ODIs Sachin won the world cup in 2011 and retire not even a year later. In tests Sachin barely played a year and some months of bad form before retiring. His stats by year in tests before that for 5 years

 

55, 48, 68, 78, 47. So of course he believed it was just small run of bad form and continued for a year and few months before realising he should retire.

 

Meanwhile pontings last 6 years, 38, 47, 38, 36, 31, 42. Never crossed 50 once, averages in 30s in 4 out of last 6 years. Yet never seen any Aussie say he over stayed etc. 

 

Facts don't matter when it comes to the myth about Sachin over staying 

Edited May 12, 2024 by New guy

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

Sachin was struggling from ball 1 in that innings, you make it sound that he just slowed in the end. He was genuinely struggling for timing that entire innings. Kohli was playing same strike rate as him.

 

And we lost because we couldn't defend 287 against Bangladesh, a total Bangladesh had NEVER chased against a non minnow till then. But dhoni captaincy PR very easily deflected his insipid captaincy in that match to Sachin struggles. 

 

I always find it funny how India fans exaggerate how long Sachin overstayed. Sachin had one of the SHORTEST run of bad form before retiring 

 

In ODIs Sachin won the world cup in 2011 and retire not even a year later. In tests Sachin barely played a year and some months of bad form before retiring. His stats by year in tests before that for 5 years

 

55, 48, 68, 78, 47. So of course he believed it was just small run of bad form and continued for a year and few months before realising he should retire.

 

Meanwhile pontings last 6 years, 38, 47, 38, 36, 31, 42. Never crossed 50 once, averages in 30s in 4 out of last 6 years. Yet never seen any Aussie say he over stayed etc. 

 

Facts don't matter when it comes to the myth about Sachin over staying 

It goes beyond individual players. It is the culture of finding ways to prop up individual cult heroes. The players - even if they are originally not of that mindset - eventually realize that fans and selectors and peers value these landmarks.

 

Even after some recent test wins, Gill's dad and Washington Sundar's dad were lamenting that their sons did not get to a 100.

 

In contrast, Jurel categorically stated that he didn't care for a 100 after leading India to a win. 

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

Sachin was struggling from ball 1 in that innings, you make it sound that he just slowed in the end. He was genuinely struggling for timing that entire innings. Kohli was playing same strike rate as him.

 

And we lost because we couldn't defend 287 against Bangladesh, a total Bangladesh had NEVER chased against a non minnow till then. But dhoni captaincy PR very easily deflected his insipid captaincy in that match to Sachin struggles. 

 

I always find it funny how India fans exaggerate how long Sachin overstayed. Sachin had one of the SHORTEST run of bad form before retiring 

 

In ODIs Sachin won the world cup in 2011 and retire not even a year later. In tests Sachin barely played a year and some months of bad form before retiring. His stats by year in tests before that for 5 years

 

55, 48, 68, 78, 47. So of course he believed it was just small run of bad form and continued for a year and few months before realising he should retire.

 

Meanwhile pontings last 6 years, 38, 47, 38, 36, 31, 42. Never crossed 50 once, averages in 30s in 4 out of last 6 years. Yet never seen any Aussie say he over stayed etc. 

 

Facts don't matter when it comes to the myth about Sachin over staying 

 

Nah man, I disagree. Tendulkar reached 80 quite quickly but then crawled to his 100. He did bat selfishly that innings, and it's a fact that he did take batting for milestones to the next level with likes of Kohli is continuing. On that patta pitch 300+ was there for the taking but SRT's slowdown approaching his 100 cost us that. Also recall watching the post-match interviews, and there was no regret or sadness at losing the match. If someone would've tuned in to see post-match presentations and interviews, they would've thought that we had won! Compare that to say an Aussie team and players. Do you think they would've celebrated that knock when they lost to B'desh? And I blame our media & fans as well for enabling that behavior. That's why we see over-the hill TTFs playing for decades with 0 team results (ICC trophies), and the fans deserve it. Players are simply doing what pays for them and what media, sponsors & fans want - individual & star glory to the detriment of the team. 

 

I admire Tendulkar, and he changed the cricket when he came along. Some of his innings - especially his 98 against Pak at Centurion - are stuff of the legends. But you can't deny the fact that he was milestone obsesses. But as I mentioned earlier, that behavior is the product of our times. That's what fans craves - a 100 from Tendulkar rather than a win. I'm willing to bet there were more Indian fans who would've taken SRT's 100th 100 over a win against B'desh but without the 100. Same behavior from fans and players is continuing now. Fans will rather take a 100 from "King" Kohli or "hitman" Sharma than a quick cameo from them which results in an Indian win.

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, New guy said:

Started way before with sunny and kapil

that's what I wrote too. actually, it's the mumbai school of batsmanship pioneering by vijay merchant, who explicitly stated it in radio interviews of 60s/70s.