Ball change in tests in England favoring the home side

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Hamere log toh bekaar mein badnaam hai. Even when we try to press for home advantage it often ends up blowing on our faces, like BGT Indore test or WC final. Even Pak curators make lives easier for visitors. 

 

Goras are masters at organized cheating and gaining home advantage. Just do what is necessary, with subtlety and their experts, commentators spin stories to portray them as morally superior. Whilst giving moral science lessons to savages from SC and WI. Our sepoys too lap it up, legacy of colonialism and low self esteem. 

 

And ICC for cricketing purposes will always be the Imperial Cricket Council, no matter how rich BCCI gets. For instance had an Indian venue prepared an equivalent of Cape Town test pitch from earlier this year (entire test lasted 93 overs!!!!) that venue would have been blacklisted for 20 years and sepoys/coolies would still be crying about all things India. 

Every gora idiot was whining about India getting advantage of playing only days games and knowing where semifinal was being played in advance, it was endless whining.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Hamere log toh bekaar mein badnaam hai. Even when we try to press for home advantage it often ends up blowing on our faces, like BGT Indore test or WC final. Even Pak curators make lives easier for visitors. 

 

Goras are masters at organized cheating and gaining home advantage. Just do what is necessary, with subtlety and their experts, commentators spin stories to portray them as morally superior. Whilst giving moral science lessons to savages from SC and WI. Our sepoys too lap it up, legacy of colonialism and low self esteem. 

 

And ICC for cricketing purposes will always be the Imperial Cricket Council, no matter how rich BCCI gets. For instance had an Indian venue prepared an equivalent of Cape Town test pitch from earlier this year (entire test lasted 93 overs!!!!) that venue would have been blacklisted for 20 years and sepoys/coolies would still be crying about all things India. 

I have only ever heard England do that. 

The Aussies , Saffers and Kiwis generally don't do this to such an extent. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

What next? Will they ask for cloud-seeing to help their new star - Gus Cloudinson?

[Ultimate_Game]

IMO Shastri, Gavaskar and other ex-cricketers should take shots at England and raise it... and Wasim Jaffer should troll Vaughan bringing it up.

 

Can you imagine if we had to change the ball multiple times within 60 overs! Eng dailies would've had run headlines slating BCCI, and likes of Vaughan would've had a field day on twitter.

 

We should do the same. I refuse to believe the quality of the ball is so bad it required multiple ball changes within 60 overs. They were literally looking for the ball that would do something, and they finally got it. Umpires or match refs should've stepped in. And WI team management should've been vocal about it. I'm sure GG would go after the umpires & match ref if something like this happened with India involved.

 

What's the point of seeing off the new ball if opponents can get different balls to get the same advantage, i.e. the ball doing something?

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I have only ever heard England do that. 

The Aussies , Saffers and Kiwis generally don't do this to such an extent. 

All are guilty bro, Eng and Aus more than the other two.

 

Fine but at least own it instead of acting like saints and being patronizing to non gora teams.

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

I have only ever heard England do that. 

The Aussies , Saffers and Kiwis generally don't do this to such an extent. 

Agree about Saffers and Kiwis.

 

Ozzies? Here's your answer

 

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[Gollum]

Deliberately changing shape of the ball should be punished, not rewarded like this.

[Gollum]

Where does this come under spirit of cricket?

 

They hold annual lectures, dinners for this spirit thing.

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Can you do this and keep getting away with it? It sounds too blatant tbh. 

Last Ashes, Anderson was caught on mic saying "We need to get rid of that one" when a particular ball seemed to be going dead straight. 

 

How else can they get it out of shape ? You are right .  It could be much subtler. 

 

The Dukes is not a very consistent ball.  Varies by batch and even individually. 

 

When they bring out new balls , it could well have a couple from  an older batch. 

Last Ashes , they replaced a 2023 Dukes with a new one from either the 2018 or 2019 batch and they won the final Test. 

 

Stokes even tried it in India early in the series.   But the SG balls are much more consistent and didn't behave too differently and they stopped doing it as the series progressed. 

 

 

 

[rollingstoned]

Aussies tried to game extra reviews throught the test series by appealing after taking bails off before being called out on it. 

Smithwas using his shoe like a sandpaper acorss the pitch against us I think in 20-21. He tried to look innocent doing it. 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Last Ashes, Anderson was caught on mic saying "We need to get rid of that one" when a particular ball seemed to be going dead straight. 

 

How else can they get it out of shape ? You are right .  It could be much subtler. 

 

The Dukes is not a very consistent ball.  Varies by batch and even individually. 

 

When they bring out new balls , it could well have a couple from  an older batch. 

Last Ashes , they replaced a 2023 Dukes with a new one from either the 2018 or 2019 batch and they won the final Test. 

 

Stokes even tried it in India early in the series.   But the SG balls are much more consistent and didn't behave too differently and they stopped doing it as the series progressed. 

 

This reads worse than sandpapergate. No action from refs, ICC?

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I have only ever heard England do that. 

The Aussies , Saffers and Kiwis generally don't do this to such an extent. 

 

Aussies actually repaired the pitch on 5th day when Aussies were playing India in 2003. They do these kind of under-handed things quite often. What should've been a tricky chase became an easy win for Aussies coz they actually fixed the pitch on Day 5! This was even beyond the ball changing stuf...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/dec/31/cricket1

https://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/tamper/20031230.htm

 

BCCI and India get bad rap but it's sour grapes as India rules world cricket financially. But when it comes to having their way and doing illegal stuff, India and BCCI are nowhere near the gora nations.

[Ultimate_Game]

All this dramebaazi and nautanki about "Spirit of cricket" is like DEI in corporate world... buzzword for optics.

Edited July 19, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[rollingstoned]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Last Ashes, Anderson was caught on mic saying "We need to get rid of that one" when a particular ball seemed to be going dead straight. 

 

How else can they get it out of shape ? You are right .  It could be much subtler. 

 

The Dukes is not a very consistent ball.  Varies by batch and even individually. 

 

When they bring out new balls , it could well have a couple from  an older batch. 

Last Ashes , they replaced a 2023 Dukes with a new one from either the 2018 or 2019 batch and they won the final Test. 

 

Stokes even tried it in India early in the series.   But the SG balls are much more consistent and didn't behave too differently and they stopped doing it as the series progressed. 

 

 

 

I might be wrong but I don't remember the Dukes being such a problem before 2022. This seems to have happened only after Bazball. And then this Dukes is used in WI too, does it also deteriorate similarly over there?

[rollingstoned]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Aussies actually repaired the pitch on 5th day when Aussies were playing India in 2003. They do these kind of under-handed things quite often. What should've been a tricky chase became an easy win for Aussies coz they actually fixed the pitch on Day 5! This was even beyond the ball changing stuf...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/dec/31/cricket1

https://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/tamper/20031230.htm

 

BCCI and India get bad rap but it's sour grapes as India rules world cricket financially. But when it comes to having their way and doing illegal stuff, India and BCCI are nowhere near the gora nations.

Unzud did this in a test match against us too. Think they left the pitch to dry in the sun after they dismissed us cheaply at the end of the day. That series was famous for seriously doctored pitches where even 115kph Gavin Larsen and Nathan astle were unplayable. 

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Agree about Saffers and Kiwis.

 

Ozzies? Here's your answer

 

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That was blatant cheating. No 2 ways about.  I'm talking about subtle  English way - Murray mints , dirt in the pockets, Jimmy's hair gel, stopping the ball with spikes etc. 

 

They take gamesmanship to another level. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Btw @Gollum Mikyle Louis is from St. Kitts... The first ever test cricketer from there and Athanaze from Dominica so all Islands covered now?

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, rollingstoned said:

Unzud did this in a test match against us too. Think they left the pitch to dry in the sun after they dismissed us cheaply at the end of the day. That series was famous for seriously doctored pitches where even 115kph Gavin Larsen and Nathan astle were unplayable. 

 

Yup that 2002 series where sides struggled to reach even 100. The pitch was so green it was difficult to separate it from the outfield. I recall a commie joking that you could actually have cows graze on the pitch 

 

But all these things get pushed under the carpet but even a minor accidental mistake by India and all hell breaks loose!

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Btw @Gollum Mikyle Louis is from St. Kitts... The first ever test cricketer from there and Athanaze from Dominica so all Islands covered now?

Hoga ek do chota islands abhi bhi, have to check.

[putrevus]

Ball is swinging for everyone now.

 

This is unfair for WI.