Majestic Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 (edited) In the ODI format, 6 bowlers and 8 batsman are important as it is a longer format and you expect batting depth as well as extra bowling option( can't go with 5 bowlers for 50 overs). Hence, we need to look at batsman who can bowl 4-5 overs at #6. We would also need pure all rounder at 7 and a bowling A/R at 8. What are the options we have that can be utilised best keeping the longer format in mind? #6 spot or above (batsman who can bowl 4-5 overs):- Riyan Parag, Venkatesh Iyer, Hardik Pandya, Abhishek Sharma #7 spot( quickfire run scorer and bowl more overs):- Hardik Pandya (if he is fully fit), Axar Patel, Ravindra Jadeja, Washington Sundar #8 spot :- Axar Patel, Washington Sundar, Harshit Rana, Akashdeep The likes of Dube, Tewatia don't cut for ODIs in my opinion. Edited July 28, 2024 by Majestic tweaker 1
Majestic Posted July 28, 2024 Author Posted July 28, 2024 40 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said: Parag Pandya Axar Rohit Jaiswal/Gill Kohli S Iyer/ Pant Rahul(wkt) Parag Pandya Axar Kuldeep Bumrah Shami Siraj That's 12 names. Praveen 06 and deepdynamo 2
Stan AF Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 OP, no management will send pandya at #6, let alone 7 or 8. That would be wasting him.
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 Strictly from ODI's point of view, options No 6 : Riyan Parag, Tilak Varma, Nitish...batter who can chip in 3-5 overs. No 7 : Axar, Washy, Bawa..primarily bowlers who can score 25-35 runs with bat and can bowl 5-8 overs on consistent basis. No 8 : Rana, Yudhvir, Gurnoor, Akashdeep...who can score 15-25 runs and can contribute 10 8-10 overs tapandrun 1
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 9 minutes ago, Majestic said: Rohit Jaiswal/Gill Kohli S Iyer/ Pant Rahul(wkt) Parag Pandya Axar Kuldeep Bumrah Shami Siraj That's 12 names. Both Pant & KL shouldn't play together. Also since your 6-11 are allrounders/bowlers. The pure batters need to end by no 5 (which include keeper as well). Rohit Jaiswal/Gill Kohli Pant/KL (wk) Rinku/Shreyas
tweaker Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 Parag,Abhishek,Nitish should be groomed as allrounders. They are also different types of bowl and should be backed . neel roy 1
Majestic Posted July 28, 2024 Author Posted July 28, 2024 32 minutes ago, Stan AF said: OP, no management will send pandya at #6, let alone 7 or 8. That would be wasting him. In modern era, #6 is a proper batsman place.
Majestic Posted July 28, 2024 Author Posted July 28, 2024 28 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Strictly from ODI's point of view, options No 6 : Riyan Parag, Tilak Varma, Nitish...batter who can chip in 3-5 overs. No 7 : Axar, Washy, Bawa..primarily bowlers who can score 25-35 runs with bat and can bowl 5-8 overs on consistent basis. No 8 : Rana, Yudhvir, Gurnoor, Akashdeep...who can score 15-25 runs and can contribute 10 8-10 overs No.7 in ODI should be a genuine all rounder who scores fast. Axar's batting is more in between #7 and #8. Washy and Bawa are behind Axar in reckoning and need more work. For no.8, we really lack options. At the moment, Harshit Rana only seems a viable choice else we go with Axar and use Hardik at 7. If Harshit Rana clicks well with bat, that's good. But if he turns out to be just a Shami level batter, we maybe better with having Axar at 8 and play only two pacers. 2 pacers + kuldeep+ Axar/Harshit+ Hardik+ Parag.
Majestic Posted July 28, 2024 Author Posted July 28, 2024 37 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Both Pant & KL shouldn't play together. Also since your 6-11 are allrounders/bowlers. The pure batters need to end by no 5 (which include keeper as well). Rohit Jaiswal/Gill Kohli Pant/KL (wk) Rinku/Shreyas Why Pant and KL can't play together? If Iyer and KL can, why Pant and KL can't? Rinku is not yet there. The guy is struggling with form at international level, yet to establish himself. Sanju Samson is ahead in my opinion and Riyan Parag also. Rinku ain't batting at 5 anyways.
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Majestic said: Why Pant and KL can't play together? If Iyer and KL can, why Pant and KL can't? Rinku is not yet there. The guy is struggling with form at international level, yet to establish himself. Sanju Samson is ahead in my opinion and Riyan Parag also. Rinku ain't batting at 5 anyways. How did you judge Rinku isn't ready ? Has played only 2 ODI's so far, that too in SA... In T20's he has exemplary record considering the position he bats. If we can't back even a player like that then I am worried that we have bigger problems. Both Pant & KL are limited in their own ways...Pant's hitting arc is limited while KL is mentally limited. Also KL is 32 already and yet he is not an established player, his time is gone and need is to look at the younger players. If a player who is playing for 7-8 years yet isn't able to settle himself in the formats despite multiple opportunities. It's safe to assume they don't have in them to become a successful international cricketer. Even Shreyas has only 2-3 years left unless he really establishes himself.
Nikhil_cric Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 You need your 3 best fast bowlers and your best spinner in ODIs. Get whatever batting you can out of them.
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Majestic said: No.7 in ODI should be a genuine all rounder who scores fast. Axar's batting is more in between #7 and #8. Washy and Bawa are behind Axar in reckoning and need more work. For no.8, we really lack options. At the moment, Harshit Rana only seems a viable choice else we go with Axar and use Hardik at 7. If Harshit Rana clicks well with bat, that's good. But if he turns out to be just a Shami level batter, we maybe better with having Axar at 8 and play only two pacers. 2 pacers + kuldeep+ Axar/Harshit+ Hardik+ Parag. For no 7...except Hardik and Bawa I don't see any pace bowling allrounder. Nishant Sindhu is one name I missed who genuinely looks a class batter and a decent spinner....but again he is also a left arm orthodox so not sure how much pref he will be given ahead of Bapu. Harshit is better than Shami with bat...he is somewhere between Shardul & Chahar. Akashdeep is less of a batter than Harshit, but better than Shami.
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 9 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: You need your 3 best fast bowlers and your best spinner in ODIs. Get whatever batting you can out of them. I honestly see a huge vacuum in fast bowling after Bumrah (considering Shami is out of contention for ODI's). Siraj has numbers, but his performance varies a lot as per the opposition.
Praveen 06 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 18 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: You need your 3 best fast bowlers and your best spinner in ODIs. Get whatever batting you can out of them. Depends on tracks. We won 2018, 23 asia cup with 2 pacers only
Praveen 06 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 (edited) Aus winning formula in world cups is heavy batting lineup with batting all rounders like symonds, Lehman, Clark, Watson, Maxwell, Head, marsh Edited July 28, 2024 by Praveen 06 tapandrun 1
Nikhil_cric Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 7 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said: Depends on tracks. We won 2018, 23 asia cup with 2 pacers only World Cup is in South Africa. The need is to build to that. Praveen 06 1
Nikhil_cric Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: I honestly see a huge vacuum in fast bowling after Bumrah (considering Shami is out of contention for ODI's). Siraj has numbers, but his performance varies a lot as per the opposition. Which is a big issue. Bumrah is an outlier, a freak with idiosyncrasies that simply can't be manufactured . Mohammad Shami is the kind of fast bowler we need to produce . I really hope Shami takes up coaching seriously. He has worked a lot on his stride, release etc. over the years to eventually become the 2023 World Cup version. Guys like Akashdeep, Kuldeep Sen , Rana etc. should really try to emulate Shami as much as possible. Of course, there is a larger need to monitor actions and workloads and rest periods in the domestic system Edited July 28, 2024 by Nikhil_cric singhvivek141 1
singhvivek141 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 1 minute ago, Praveen 06 said: Aus winning formula in world cups is heavy batting lineup n batting all rounders They also had capable bowlers too, surprisingly with ability to bat. 2003 ODI WC...they had batting till 10. Lee & Hogg were capable batters. Even now...Starc & Cummins are handy with bat. Lyon & Hazelwood too are better batters than our bowlers. Praveen 06 1
Praveen 06 Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: They also had capable bowlers too, surprisingly with ability to bat. 2003 ODI WC...they had batting till 10. Lee & Hogg were capable batters. Even now...Starc & Cummins are handy with bat. Lyon & Hazelwood too are better batters than our bowlers. Yes. Mostly champion teams filled with heavy batting lineup. 2011 ind, 2019 eng teams had good batting depth
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