Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 13 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Good post but question on this part. Did Anand train gukesh, Arjun from same level as a gopichand/padukone trained Saina/Sindhu/lakshya? Anand shortlisted youngest GMs for his academy. Which was obviously a very smart decision for India. Again bro, I don't want to compare Indian legends. I am sure all of them have done their bit to take the respective sports forward. But slightly different roles, Gopi and Prakash were achievers as players but we didn't get a badminton boom because of them. Boom is due to Saina, Sindhu...if they open academies in the future we can compare their roles with Anand's....but even there I personally feel that no need to compare, just talking about roles. Edited September 28 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 5 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Personally I would say chess coaching at junior level, say upto GM level, is significantly more hard work than javelin coaching, badminton coaching etc. So chess coaches at junior level deserve more. I would be happy to see those humble unassuming junior coaches from Chennai, Hyderabad Madurai etc. get heroic recognition ....for ex here, some real grassroot building blocks of Indian chess - Madurai Chennai Hyderabad All of them should be honoured, and given financial support. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 23 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Chess is an individual sport, so WC is probably more important. But to gauge which country is strongest, Olympiad would be considered. But here also, population is ignored. For ex. Armenia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan are small countries, so their Olympiad achievements/medals should be more impressive. Kasparov once called Iceland the strongest chess country, when Russia was ruling the game. Because of per capita GMs. Armenia deserves special credit for winning 3 Olympiads (open) with 3 million population. Chess is taught as a compulsory subject in schools there. India, China, USA will always look bad when it comes to per capita. Especially a country like India with our colonial past has so many challenges (many historical) which people don't talk about, and focus is only on population. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 @Lord Olympiad is like Thomas Cup in badminton. But with a longer and richer history, and much more competition. Or Davis Cup in tennis (which has great legacy), but more competition. In terms of participation by countries, chess Olympiad is comparable to Olympics, 180 countries, sometimes even more participate. Even a country like Bhutan will have representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 Anyway this thread has served its purpose. No need to pin this anymore I think @Lord @Austin 3:!6 Next Olympiad in Tashkent, 2026. Then Abu Dhabi, 2028. Later we can have a thread for Gukesh vs Ding which will start in last week of November, around same time as BGT. Vickydev and randomGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 India's win was "a seminal moment in chess history, comparable to the 1945 USA v USSR radio match when the Americans, quadruple Olympiad gold winners in the 1930s, were crushed 15.5-4.5 to launch 45 years of Soviet supremacy, interrupted only by Fischer." https://t.co/o4saxOmrwR — Olimpiu Di Luppi (@olimpiuurcan) September 27, 2024 Vickydev and Tillu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: Good post but there is an underlying sentiment of @kepler37b post. The coaches at junior level need more recognition. The people who trained gukesh Arjun pragg vidit Hari raunak Divya harika growing up and took them to GM level. Yes. The junior coaches are much more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 4 hours ago, randomGuy said: Good post but there is an underlying sentiment of @kepler37b post. The coaches at junior level need more recognition. The people who trained gukesh Arjun pragg vidit Hari raunak Divya harika growing up and took them to GM level. Wont these players be outgrowing those coaches quite quickly though? Most coaches must be around 2200-2400 level... It must be interesting how coaches can then assist the players past that barrier in a sport like Chess, unlike a physical sport for example, where the player is just simply better and can see things maybe the Coach themselves cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 14 minutes ago, Vickydev said: Wont these players be outgrowing those coaches quite quickly though? Most coaches must be around 2200-2400 level... It must be interesting how coaches can then assist the players past that barrier in a sport like Chess, unlike a physical sport for example, where the player is just simply better and can see things maybe the Coach themselves cant Right. they become grandmasters very soon. But not all of them become, only a few. It is well established in chess that if you have to succeed at high level, you must start early...be GM by like 13-15 yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Arjun erigaisi reaches 2800 in live ratings tonight. Amazing achievement.only the second Indian after Anand whose peak rating was abt 2820. Arjun will peak at 2850+ looking at his rating progression chart. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 7 hours ago, randomGuy said: Arjun erigaisi reaches 2800 in live ratings tonight. Amazing achievement.only the second Indian after Anand whose peak rating was abt 2820. Arjun will peak at 2850+ looking at his rating progression chart. Fingers crossed. What does that number mean tbh? I get that it is a rating based on beating opponents. Has anyone ever reached 2900? 3000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 56 minutes ago, bharathh said: What does that number mean tbh? I get that it is a rating based on beating opponents. Has anyone ever reached 2900? 3000? It is a reflection of your performance (wins/ losses/draw against players of what ratings). You gain or lose points after each game. 2889 is the highest ever...I think Arjun can cross Kasparov's highest rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Think highest rating is 2882 and not 2889. Fischer's peak was 2785. Rating inflation is a thing, so in the future one of these youngsters may hit 2900 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 39 minutes ago, Gollum said: Think highest rating is 2882 and not 2889. Fischer's peak was 2785. Rating inflation is a thing, so in the future one of these youngsters may hit 2900 as well. Highest live rating is 2889. 2882 is highest published rating. Published usually at the end of a tournament. Meaning Arjun's published rating is still below 2800 as his tournament is still in progress. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 minute ago, randomGuy said: Highest live rating is 2889. 2882 is highest published rating. Published usually at the end of a tournament. Meaning Arjun's published rating is still below 2800 as his tournament is still in progress. never knew Magnus was so close to 2900 !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Gollum said: never knew Magnus was so close to 2900 !!!!! @bharathh nice tool to play arnd with (select k =10) https://ratings.fide.com/calc.phtml?page=change For ex. If a 2900 player draws with a 2800 , he loses 1.4 rating points. If draws with a 2700, he loses 2.6 points. A win gets 2.4 and a loss loses 7.6. bharathh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, randomGuy said: @bharathh nice tool to play arnd with (select k =10) https://ratings.fide.com/calc.phtml?page=change For ex. If a 2900 player draws with a 2800 , he loses 1.4 rating points. If draws with a 2700, he loses 2.6 points. A win gets 2.4 and a loss loses 7.6. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillu Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Vidit lost to Arjun from a winning position at the Chennai Grandmasters. Arjun initially offered him a draw and Vidit declined it, went for a win and lost it under time pressure. It's so painful to watch him become so emotional in the last 3 minutes. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Arjun is a once in a generation talent...he will peak 2850-2860 imo. 2nd highest peak rating possibly beyond Kasparov behind carlsen. Fingers crossed. Tillu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 hours ago, randomGuy said: Arjun is a once in a generation talent...he will peak 2850-2860 imo. 2nd highest peak rating possibly beyond Kasparov behind carlsen. Fingers crossed. What do you think about our other youngsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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