mishra Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: French have stood with India more than any other country despite many different government regimes in both countries. Actually the way and line various experts of US outside the administration are speaking (reminding us and US that India US relationship is beyond Trump and most consequential) makes me think that no Subordinate of Trump has balls to say NO to Trump.
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: French have stood with India more than any other country despite many different government regimes in both countries. The French don’t have much geo political interest in our region, if they did most of it aligns with India’s. US has geopolitical interests in this region, we are not completely on board with it. It surprises me much of our strategic planning depends on US willingly giving away ToT & localizing production without giving it much, especially when Trump is the leader! mishra 1
mishra Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 ^ We can get what we want if US goes into recession. Highly unlikely but possible under tarrif war.
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 13 minutes ago, mishra said: Actually the way and line various experts of US outside the administration are speaking (reminding us and US that India US relationship is beyond Trump and most consequential) makes me think that no Subordinate of Trump has balls to say NO to Trump. This is true, all the usual checks & balances have been completely decimated, labeled as deep state. mishra 1
mishra Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 On 8/16/2025 at 8:07 PM, G_B_ said: India should prepare for 100%. Bumpy 4 years coming regardless. Even if you get a deal, he can still hit you with "port fees" and all sorts of things Chinese goods already facing this. Just 14 more months. After midterm, Trump will be fighting headwinds within Congress itself. G_B_ 1
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 1 minute ago, mishra said: ^ We can get what we want if US goes into recession. Highly unlikely but possible under tarrif war. Unfortunately like Canada & Mexico found out, & India is finding out. Any deal with Trump is not worth the paper it is written on. if his mood changes he will call the same deal he made is unfair & demand more flesh. I am seeing a very hard 3.5 yrs for India unless the Indians pull off a diplomatic coup, highly unlikely as we have already made simple mistakes like releasing read out call where Modi berates Trump. mishra 1
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 (edited) Let me play some devils advocate here, Indian FP is equally responsible for the mess. 1. India will never be vassal state like EU, Australia, SK & Japan. okay, whats so bad? no country dares to attack these vassal states. Many Indians would do anything to immigrate to one of these vassal states or have equivalent living conditions in India. what has stratergic autonomy given India? missed out the manufacturing revolution. 2. US is ruining, Ind-US stratergic partnership. So India gets state of the art US weapon systems (granted for full market price), US should give ToT (India's ask), US moves supply chains from China to India (India's hope), US support India diplomatically & ISR during conflicts (they did help during Galwan). What does India give US? Stratergic autonomy churan? Edited August 18, 2025 by IndianRenegade
G_B_ Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said: Unfortunately like Canada & Mexico found out, & India is finding out. Any deal with Trump is not worth the paper it is written on. if his mood changes he will call the same deal he made is unfair & demand more flesh. I am seeing a very hard 3.5 yrs for India unless the Indians pull off a diplomatic coup, highly unlikely as we have already made simple mistakes like releasing read out call where Modi berates Trump. Very hard? Worst case scenario being quoted is 0.6% dip in gdp growth. Vietnam which has a deal at 20% is forecast to take a 0.2% hit. So we grow at 5.5% instead of 6.5% taking the worst of all scenarios...
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 3 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Very hard? Worst case scenario being quoted is 0.6% dip in gdp growth. Vietnam which has a deal at 20% is forecast to take a 0.2% hit. So we grow at 5.5% instead of 6.5% taking the worst of all scenarios... what makes you think US stops with this? start hitting visas to Indian service industry accelerate AI addoption & reduce dependance on Indian service industry. prop up pakistan to carry out attacks in India & back them up diplomatically. As Munir has made it clear he considers pakistan as a dump, doesn't care what happens to them.
G_B_ Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 https://indianexpress.com/article/business/trumps-tariff-india-gdp-growth-goldman-sachs-10175367/ See at 50% or 500% impact will be same. Effectively importers to the usa will goto other countries (textiles) or raise prices killing demand for sectors with no atlernatives (cut diamonds).
G_B_ Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 Just now, IndianRenegade said: what makes you think US stops with this? start hitting visas to Indian service industry accelerate AI addoption & reduce dependance on Indian service industry. prop up pakistan to carry out attacks in India & back them up diplomatically. As Munir has made it clear he considers pakistan as a dump, doesn't care what happens to them. The visa thing at max with tarrifs is 1% of gdp...if ai takes over it will hit everybody especially americans.
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 19 minutes ago, G_B_ said: The visa thing at max with tarrifs is 1% of gdp...if ai takes over it will hit everybody especially americans. that slower growth plus issolation may be enough to push congress to better showing or win the net election? no?
ravishingravi Posted August 18, 2025 Author Posted August 18, 2025 Looks like Trump might broker peace in Ukraine. He definitely deserves nobel peace prize if he pulls this off. This could weaken China considerably. IndianRenegade 1
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 12 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Looks like Trump might broker peace in Ukraine. He definitely deserves nobel peace prize if he pulls this off. This could weaken China considerably. yup... I hate the guy, but you will need to give him this win if he manages it.,
IndianRenegade Posted August 18, 2025 Posted August 18, 2025 prepare for more hatred coming indian american way.... Lone Wolf 1
IndianRenegade Posted August 19, 2025 Posted August 19, 2025 This has to be the dumbest name change, pretty sure some consultant earned thousands of dollars if nor millions for this name change!
Lone Wolf Posted August 19, 2025 Posted August 19, 2025 11 hours ago, IndianRenegade said: prepare for more hatred coming indian american way.... Junior Jaishankar article has dropped. It seems Americans have opted for a temporary truce with China and has turned their attention towards India. Trump sees no incentive in improving ties with India atm. Something sinister is brewing
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