Operation sindoor

[straighttalk]

11 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Good news is that you folks are already laughing stock and tge couhtry will keep you out. As for Air chief, he doesn't stand for elections. 

Sure man use your astute judgement to ask the air chief who reports to the party in power ..to ask him what made him wake up after 3 months and where is the evidence like he showed for all the other airbase and terror HQ damage.

 

Also while at it maybe think why would ISI ask the terrorists to carry voters identity card to enable India to show conclusive evidence of Paksitani involvement. While they are at it maybe with such CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE AS VOTER ID CARD, India should go to FATF and get Paksitan banned again. 

 

And then folks like you can be spanked out of my country... pathetic to have low IQ bhakts 

Edited August 12, 2025 by straighttalk

[straighttalk]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

I believe the country's IAF chief than someone's opinions. 

That is ofcourse true...his locus standi much more than me..but as a citizen I do have a right to ask these questions ..after all he is coming out with these claims after 3 months...with zero evidence. So if there is evidence behind the claims he can share it and I will be super happy otherwise I don't trust the party in power...who are facing lot of uncomfortable questions.

 

This whole jets down admission now new claims is extremely shoddy media management..either keep quiet as Pakistan has showed no proof or make claims with evidence. This is amateur hour.

[coffee_rules]

8 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

That is ofcourse true...his locus standi much more than me..but as a citizen I do have a right to ask these questions ..after all he is coming out with these claims after 3 months...with zero evidence. So if there is evidence behind the claims he can share it and I will be super happy otherwise I don't trust the party in power...who are facing lot of uncomfortable questions.

 

This whole jets down admission now new claims is extremely shoddy media management..either keep quiet as Pakistan has showed no proof or make claims with evidence. This is amateur hour.

 

It was all in the most likely happened with bumkers being blown on May10. There is enough proof of that through sat images shared by our DGMO, CDS etc. . S-400 hitting down missiles and F16 in bunkers were always known. It was not disclosed because of US hurt. Now, that charade is dropped, naturally it makes sense to disclose it now. You people doubted Balakot, Uri, Sindoor and every acton of the Indian armed forces and you  will naturally doubt this and say election campaingn.  You want missiles to have wifi cameras and live video of F-16s being downed and even then you'd say it is AI/CGI. But you believe a PPt shown by Aurangzeb. 

 

In the narrative war, Russian S-400  downing F-16 will hurt USA MIC's chances of selling F-16s. At least it is a win on that front. But , you cannot see it beyond bloody domestic politics.

[singhvivek141]

7 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

That is ofcourse true...his locus standi much more than me..but as a citizen I do have a right to ask these questions ..after all he is coming out with these claims after 3 months...with zero evidence. So if there is evidence behind the claims he can share it and I will be super happy otherwise I don't trust the party in power...who are facing lot of uncomfortable questions.

 

This whole jets down admission now new claims is extremely shoddy media management..either keep quiet as Pakistan has showed no proof or make claims with evidence. This is amateur hour.

There is nothing amateur about it. Geopolitical relations at times make you hide certain things which can be used later as per the need. It may sound amateur for the naive mind but it's perfectly normal in the global dynamics. Indira released 93k prisoners and in exchange didnt get any Indian POV back, thats what we call amateurish behaviour.

 

India didnt mention F16's before, but the way we bashed the Pakistani airbases, proofs were readily available that there jets were blown away. Drone footages and what not showing damages to the hangers  Only reason why India didnt expose was cause India then had good relations with Trump.

 

Post Op Sindoor, Trump under his own greed and ego has burned the ties. About time IAF chief went ahead and exposed everything which was kept under the wraps. S400 & Brahmos bashing the F16's is a clear symbolism that Russian weapons were superior to US weapons. They didnt utter Chinese names coz China wasnt the target here.

 

Anyway, I believe IAF Chief more than an anti national nepo baby, who spend half of his year on the unknown foreign trips and instead of supporting India during the war times, was asking questions like a maniac on the Rafale. It may sound appealing to Pakistanis and their sympthasizers...but not for an Indian, no matter which politicial party they support to.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

It was all in the most likely happened with bumkers being blown on May10. There is enough proof of that through sat images shared by our DGMO, CDS etc. . S-400 hitting down missiles and F16 in bunkers were always known. It was not disclosed because of US hurt. Now, that charade is dropped, naturally it makes sense to disclose it now. You people doubted Balakot, Uri, Sindoor and every acton of the Indian armed forces and you  will naturally doubt this and say election campaingn.  You want missiles to have wifi cameras and live video of F-16s being downed and even then you'd say it is AI/CGI. But you believe a PPt shown by Aurangzeb. 

 

In the narrative war, Russian S-400  downing F-16 will hurt USA MIC's chances of selling F-16s. At least it is a win on that front. But , you cannot see it beyond bloody domestic politics.

 

Already no one is buying their F35...it is being seen as a junk and hence even Switzerland has decided not to pursue it.

[mishra]

Some icfers think they can convince someone who doesn’t trust their own IAF chief.  

[gattaca]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

Some icfers think they can convince someone who doesn’t trust their own IAF chief.  

@coffee_rules  Left ecosystem already is full on voter list fraud. They will not listen lol.

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Already no one is buying their F35...it is being seen as a junk and hence even Switzerland has decided not to pursue it.

F-35 has 40-50% service to maintainence ratio. Meaning if you buy atleast 2 of them , one will be undgoing maintenance while other is flying. Most aircraft have 70-80% service to maintenance ratiio

[straighttalk]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

There is nothing amateur about it. Geopolitical relations at times make you hide certain things which can be used later as per the need. It may sound amateur for the naive mind but it's perfectly normal in the global dynamics. Indira released 93k prisoners and in exchange didnt get any Indian POV back, thats what we call amateurish behaviour.

 

India didnt mention F16's before, but the way we bashed the Pakistani airbases, proofs were readily available that there jets were blown away. Drone footages and what not showing damages to the hangers  Only reason why India didnt expose was cause India then had good relations with Trump.

 

Post Op Sindoor, Trump under his own greed and ego has burned the ties. About time IAF chief went ahead and exposed everything which was kept under the wraps. S400 & Brahmos bashing the F16's is a clear symbolism that Russian weapons were superior to US weapons. They didnt utter Chinese names coz China wasnt the target here.

 

Anyway, I believe IAF Chief more than an anti national nepo baby, who spend half of his year on the unknown foreign trips and instead of supporting India during the war times, was asking questions like a maniac on the Rafale. It may sound appealing to Pakistanis and their sympthasizers...but not for an Indian, no matter which politicial party they support to.

All fair and good ...first these recent claims were about surface to air  strikes and IAF chief has not made any claims on F16. He said five jets were down and one large aircraft.

 

The f16 etc were hangar attacks. They were not claimed here. 

 

Losing a older airframe in a conflict between third parties is not something us cares about...they lost 76 aircrafts in op desert storm..yet people are buying us weapons...aircrafts can be lost in a war..it doesn't show primacy of one weapon unless there is a systemic issue or lack of counters or technology disadvantage.

 

Did the US even react ? It is a total non issue.  Further to call out your ineffectual logic...last time during Balakot India were quick to embarrass my best friend Dolund Trump...by claiming f16 down to decades old mig21 and showed amraam debris and radar signatures..at that time our God was best friend with Trump...so what happens to your fairy tale.

 

Maybe try again.

 

This is nothing about IAF chief who is a patriot of highest orde..but unfortunately he is appointed by the ruling party and has to listen to their diktat and what better than to make claims. I am sure with all the technology India has the proof...maybe like Balakot the radar signatures can be released..it's not high tech stuff in these age that it has to be kept secret for operational reasons.

[gattaca]

3 minutes ago, mishra said:

F-35 has 40-50% service to maintainence ratio. Meaning if you buy atleast 2 of them , one will be undgoing maintenance while other is flying. Most aircraft have 70-80% service to maintenance ratiio

Even people like Musk have complained the cost of maintenance of F35. India shouldn’t even look at F35 along with US controlling aircrafts. Even if you buy it US can control it. 
They also make different versions of it for every country.US does get more advanced capabilities.

[mishra]

@straighttalk

 

 

 

Watch it. I have seen full briefings and know what happens was even more comical. Chill yaar

[straighttalk]

19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

It was all in the most likely happened with bumkers being blown on May10. There is enough proof of that through sat images shared by our DGMO, CDS etc. . S-400 hitting down missiles and F16 in bunkers were always known. It was not disclosed because of US hurt. Now, that charade is dropped, naturally it makes sense to disclose it now. You people doubted Balakot, Uri, Sindoor and every acton of the Indian armed forces and you  will naturally doubt this and say election campaingn.  You want missiles to have wifi cameras and live video of F-16s being downed and even then you'd say it is AI/CGI. But you believe a PPt shown by Aurangzeb. 

 

In the narrative war, Russian S-400  downing F-16 will hurt USA MIC's chances of selling F-16s. At least it is a win on that front. But , you cannot see it beyond bloody domestic politics.

No body is questioning airbase damage or hitting the terror HQ. There is evidence of a f16 and. AWACS damaged on ground as you mentioned..this was all evident in May . No one is disputing that.

 

Iaf chief claimed 5 jets down..he didn't mentioned f16. And I for one is not buying the bs that aurangazeb shared but who asked our CDS to go to Singapore and give that interview or our Jakarta attached to blame politicians.

 

So coming back to your point India wanted to save USA the embarrassment of a lost 80s airframe at the hand of inept PAF to Russian made state of the art missiles in the heat of battle . Let's buy that argument but maybe India could have embarrassed the Chinese by saying these jets were down and saved our best friends Dolund Trump for embarrassment in May. And even now there is no direct claim of F16 down by official sources. Also please stick to claims made now to the strikes on air not on ground.

 

If you look back at Balakot..back when our God was besties with Dolund...we were very quick to show radar signatures and amraam debris to claim even more embarrassingly that a Mig21 of all downed a f16. See the difference. Besties... Evidence shown...more embarrassing..relationship didn't falter...lots of bonhomie. 

 

So sure your arguments don't make a whole lot of sense. If you make claims all of a sudden after three months..atleast show some evidence. And no people didn't claim the may 7-10 satellite images etc were AI generated..

 

 

[straighttalk]

8 minutes ago, mishra said:

@straighttalk

 

 

 

Watch it. I have seen full briefings and know what happens was even more comical. Chill yaar

No one is buying PAF claims..why are you showing me their claims..I am laughing at that guy and his doctored Godzilla recording..I am simply saying. If you come out after 3 months making some claims..there has to be a basis of such claims..right...share that evidence like we did in balakot.

 

However Palki's sermonizing has a critical flaw... notwithstanding Aurangazebs poor command of English...center of gravity is a well established military concept and just shows lack of expertise on part of Indian media.

[coffee_rules]

12 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

No one is buying PAF claims..why are you showing me their claims..I am laughing at that guy and his doctored Godzilla recording..I am simply saying. If you come out after 3 months making some claims..there has to be a basis of such claims..right...share that evidence like we did in balakot.

 

However Palki's sermonizing has a critical flaw... notwithstanding Aurangazebs poor command of English...center of gravity is a well established military concept and just shows lack of expertise on part of Indian media.

 

 

Even in the PC after the May 10th attack where the DGMA showed Nur Khan/some other military airbases being blown out with sat images, the DGMA/CDS said that we have proof that IAF has downed some of their  jets. They said they will disclose the exact numbers at the right time of their choosing. This claim of downing jets with S400/Brahmos is not all of a sudden for election purposes as you claim. You go back and check the May 10th presser and I'd believe what they said. Indian side has no record of lieing like the Pakistani counterparts.

[MechEng]

@straighttalk 5 jets were down but what jets were those is still unknown, IAF chief already made this clear.

 

Aurangzeb's English is not the problem, but there is distinct lack of confidence in his delivery which indicates bluffing.

Contrast this with Vikram Misri's poker faced MEA briefings where he stuck to facts.

 

The sixth aircraft was most likely another AWACS and I believe this was s400's first target. You cannot hit airbases without disabling air defense first as Pak would have at least intercepted 3-4 brahmos missiles if the UAV AWACS was unharmed.

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by MechEng

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

It is about 0.75% of India's GDP, adds to GDP of India. India is the largest in the world in remittances. Obviously because a lot more people are getting out .

 

Yes, but it's still family money although it collaterally contributes to the gdp 

Edited August 12, 2025 by MechEng

[pkmmamks]

 

 

 

 

[mishra]

47 minutes ago, straighttalk said:

No one is buying PAF claims..why are you showing me their claims..I am laughing at that guy and his doctored Godzilla recording..I am simply saying. If you come out after 3 months making some claims..there has to be a basis of such claims..right...share that evidence like we did in balakot.

 

However Palki's sermonizing has a critical flaw... notwithstanding Aurangazebs poor command of English...center of gravity is a well established military concept and just shows lack of expertise on part of Indian media.

You still didn’t get it. I have seen complete videos of various instances in that news report. Try googling them for laugh.

You technical discussion on radar and signatures, well, thise who didn’t wanted, never bought the radars and signatures stuff post Balakot. 
Its simply matter of trust or going down to Pakistani level.

[ravishingravi]

22 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

Even in the PC after the May 10th attack where the DGMA showed Nur Khan/some other military airbases being blown out with sat images, the DGMA/CDS said that we have proof that IAF has downed some of their  jets. They said they will disclose the exact numbers at the right time of their choosing. This claim of downing jets with S400/Brahmos is not all of a sudden for election purposes as you claim. You go back and check the May 10th presser and I'd believe what they said. Indian side has no record of lieing like the Pakistani counterparts.

 

Also it's imp to hold such leverage when you have it. We had American interests to consider too. Now with US stand, all bets are off. 

[pkmmamks]

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