Congress’ dirty politics — not wanting Shashi Tharoor and other top Congress orators to be India advocates abroad against Pak

[coffee_rules]

20 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

sackable offense tbh

How to prove it? The only communication is through DGMO hotline and he said they informed their Army after striking. It is a reprimandable gaffe in an internal meeting behind close doors. Ghotala , corruption, money scams are sackable offenses. You guys set the bar so high for non-Congress govts 

Edited May 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[rangeelaraja]

5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Your defense of RaGa is painfully sad. What will he do knowing that Pak had downed 5 planes , even if true? Don’t you think it was smart to play down this gaffe of Jaishankar for the sake of the nation? It was clearly done after the strike as fact checked. Raga should STFU in matters of national security , always the first one to compromise the army. Hamare jawan pith gaye , this is what he said after Galwan. Pak might as well  name their next hypersonic missile in the name of Rahul Gandhi after Ghori, Ghazni, Babar and Abdali

 

I wonder how long Indian public will have to endure this hare brained man-child dynast - his other gem below  :

 

 

[Lord]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

How to prove it? The only communication is through DGMO hotline and he said they informed their Army after striking. It is a reprimandable gaffe in an internal meeting behind close doors. Ghotala , corruption, money scams are sackable offenses. You guys set the bar so high for non-Congress govts 

 

He clearly said ' at the start of the operation'.

 

Him saying it is an offense that hurts our reputation.

[rangeelaraja]

30 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

MeA for long needed deep house cleaning.  Babudom is indeed bane of Indian existence.

Chellaney made a striking observation about why India keeps losing narrative despite attaining gains on the front.

Bureaucracy and Babudom pick your poison @Gollum too little too late an effort to push the narrative in our favour?

 

 

Do you actually believe Najam Sethi's BS stories  ? @Lone Wolf  @coffee_rules ?? 

 

If they were an iota of truth in Sethi's BS, wouldnt ISI move people from there  and would so many high profile pigs be eliminated in the May 6th strikes including 8-10 from Masood Azhar's family ?

 

Edited May 19, 2025 by rangeelaraja

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He clearly said ' at the start of the operation'.

 

Him saying it is an offense that hurts our reputation.

How?  It shows that we are Holier than thou? The operation took less than 20 mins? So at start of he had warned, suddenly Pak military cleared up the terror camps to save them? It doesn’t make any sense what Pak Mil can do with at early warning?

Edited May 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Do you actually believe Najam Sethi's BS stories  ? @Lone Wolf  @coffee_rules ?? 

 

If they were an iota of truth in Sethi's BS, wouldnt ISI move people from there  and would so many high profile pigs be eliminated in the May 6th strikes including 8-10 from Masood Azhar's family ?

 

Of course he is saying BS... But that's the thing words must be carefully chosen by people incharge when it comes to these matters.

 

First that Misri Goof up that led to DGMO and command chiefs clearing the air after the sh*tstorm. 

 

Then this needless stuff from EAM. It all hurts when you are fighting a adversary that is seeking one goof up to sway the narrative.  We are already lagging behind in narrative war.

Indians are too slow to react to this kind of warfare.  Too much Bureaucracy has wrecked us in every sense.

Edited May 19, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

How?  It shows that we are Holier than thou? The operation took less than 20 mins? So at start of he had warned, suddenly Pak military cleared up the terror camps to save them? It doesn’t make any sense what Pak Mil can do with at early warning?

I know it actually didnt happen like that, but it can give a feeling that it gave them opportunity to save their biggest assets etc. Masood Azhar escaping can also be linked. It just was a goof up from someone so eloquent

[Lone Wolf]

26 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Your defense of RaGa is painfully sad. What will he do knowing that Pak had downed 5 planes , even if true? Don’t you think it was smart to play down this gaffe of Jaishankar for the sake of the nation? It was clearly done after the strike as fact checked. Raga should STFU in matters of national security , always the first one to compromise the army. Hamare jawan pith gaye , this is what he said after Galwan. Pak might as well  name their next hypersonic missile in the name of Rahul Gandhi after Ghori, Ghazni, Babar and Abdali

He is doing politics while condemnable but shouldn't change the fact that too many goof ups and our slower & reactive reactions has led to us lagging behind in info warfare.

 

Why do you think GoI is forced to send delegation to every corner of the world?

Accountability must be done one way or another.

Edited May 19, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

Statement is in poor taste from RaGa make no mistake...a low IQ post from him...A simple demand of resignation would have been supported by everyone..

Even Raita Wing doesn't likes EAM anymore 

Edited May 19, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[IndianRenegade]

Has EAM clarified the statement? it should be a simple clarification that should lay this matter to rest, rather than allowing the wound to fester. Honestly, EAM has been a found wanting a lot. His belligerent interviews while great for TV aren't great for diplomacy. 

 

Look at the chinese, i am pretty certain they have done more to aid russia in the ukraine war than Indian side. Have any of the spokesperson said stuff to irritate the europeans & americans like EAM? you can follow a policy without talking too much about it. 

Edited May 19, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[coffee_rules]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

I know it actually didnt happen like that, but it can give a feeling that it gave them opportunity to save their biggest assets etc. Masood Azhar escaping can also be linked. It just was a goof up from someone so eloquent

 

Don’t listen to the 17 sec clip that LKFC has sent to Congress. This is the full segment. It was in the context of who initiated the ceasefire! He said we destroyed their terror camps and also said we had told them to back off before. It is not possible to do that. DGMO (you have to believe the army) said he did it after striking. It is clearly a gaffe from the FM. My point was this hurts the Army more than the government. Would they do an operation that is compromised already losing its shock factor. Whatever had to be investigated should have been done behind doors.  
 

This tweet has the full clip

https://x.com/ani/status/1922968078889124097?s=46

 

 

Edited May 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[rangeelaraja]

19 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Of course he is saying BS... But that's the thing words must be carefully chosen by people incharge when it comes to these matters.

 

First that Misri Goof up that led to DGMO and command chiefs clearing the air after the sh*tstorm. 

 

Then this needless stuff from EAM. It all hurts when you are fighting a adversary that is seeking one goof up to sway the narrative.  We are already lagging behind in narrative war.

Indians are too slow to react to this kind of warfare.  Too much Bureaucracy has wrecked us in every sense.

 

Ok EAM has not done a competent job. One can hold them accountable for a poor job.

 

Does that give RG the license to support Paks narrative and speak their language ? In his case it is not the first time - he does it all the time and deliberately.

 

What do you thinking sackings in the EAM ministry would do to Paks morale and infowar game ? 
 

Edited May 19, 2025 by rangeelaraja

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is clearly a gaffe from the FM

Fully agree with your post.   Actually the words he chose were not ideal.

I Still don't understand why did he had to say "at the start of the operation" such a basic error 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Don’t listen to the 17 sec clip that LKFC has sent to Congress. This is the full segment. It was in the context of who initiated the ceasefire! He said we destroyed their terror camps and also said we had told them to back off before. It is not possible to do that. DGMO (you have to believe the army) said he did it after striking. It is clearly a gaffe from the FM. My point was this hurts the Army more than the government. Would they do an operation that is compromised already losing its shock factor. Whatever had to be investigated should have been done behind doors.  
 

This tweet has the full clip

https://x.com/ani/status/1922968078889124097?s=46

 

 

 

My point was about the gaffe hurting our reputation/Army also. I had seen the video on youtube.

[IndianRenegade]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Fully agree with your post.   Actually the words he chose were not ideal.

I Still don't understand why did he had to say "at the start of the operation" such a basic error 

Even those who speak english as their 1st language such mistakes are common, I think the bigger error is still not clarifying what he meant. He is a diplomat, his whole job is communication, what is the point of not clarifying it? is your ego bigger than the damage its doing to the country's efforts?

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Ok EAM has not done a competent job. One can hold them accountable for a poor job.

 

Does that give RG the license to support Paks narrative and speak their language ? In his case it is not the first time - he does it all the time and deliberately.

 

What do you thinking sackings in the EAM ministry would do to Paks morale ? 
 

I condemned  his statement... Not needed this time.

Being LoP he had the right to question EAM on what was the thought process of saying all this or did they really went through with this..

 

A simple query would have been well appreciated as everyone was asking the same question...

But if course he went too far and self destructing mode was on..

 

As I said both Groups have zero clue about Info warfare.  No wonder why our enemies get away all the time 

Edited May 19, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[coffee_rules]

44 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Of course he is saying BS... But that's the thing words must be carefully chosen by people incharge when it comes to these matters.

 

First that Misri Goof up that led to DGMO and command chiefs clearing the air after the sh*tstorm. 

 

Then this needless stuff from EAM. It all hurts when you are fighting a adversary that is seeking one goof up to sway the narrative.  We are already lagging behind in narrative war.

Indians are too slow to react to this kind of warfare.  Too much Bureaucracy has wrecked us in every sense.

Shashi gives a clean chit to Misri.

 

 

[coffee_rules]

35 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Even those who speak english as their 1st language such mistakes are common, I think the bigger error is still not clarifying what he meant. He is a diplomat, his whole job is communication, what is the point of not clarifying it? is your ego bigger than the damage its doing to the country's efforts?

JS is a career diplomat , not a politician. The clarification came from MEA. MEA has issued a statement already. Raga tweeted it right when the second phase was going on. After this statement from MEA and some brickbats from experts, he still did it again. Now, it is a political battle and all dirty linen is being washed in public SM . Followers are retweeting either RaGa or in favor of JS. It is a mess done twice by Choi RaGa. Laughing at RaGa is one thing, he does more harm to the nation than one thinks.

 

This clarification is at best one can say is an acceptance as a gaffe. JS was going for glory as holy as Mother Theresa 

 

Edited May 19, 2025 by coffee_rules

[IndianRenegade]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

JS is a career diplomat , not a politician. The clarification came from MEA. MEA has issued a statement already. Raga tweeted it right when the second phase was going on. After this statement from MEA and some brickbats from experts, he still did it again. Now, it is a political battle and all dirty linen is being washed in public SM . Followers are retweeting either RaGa or in favor of JS. It is a mess done twice by Choi RaGa. Laughing at RaGa is one thing, he does more harm to the nation than one thinks.

 

Great! its good if there was official clarification. I wasn't aware of it, that should end the debate, its horrible if pappu is still using this line of attack after the clarification.

Edited May 19, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[straighttalk]

Idiot leaders of a idiotic party .doesn't want tharoor to overshadow pappu Gandhi...not realizing that tharoor stature is probably one way of congress winning a election after modi....as much as I abhor hatred spread on the basis of religion to win elections...I am glad Modi is in power and not Rahul Gandhi...his incompetence in making a case for his party tells me all that I need to know on how he will govern India if he ever wins a election. Question is what after Modi..BJP is also bereft of leaders