maniac Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Chatter that he will replace SKY or get another shot in the Indian side eventually. as a IpL player and a fringe back up batsman in Lois he is alright, but the RCB hype might get him a shot in the main side. Dont see a long term prospect but more of a stop-gap. is he really the best option? I would let him continue with RCB, reward him a few games vs lower ranked sides. That’s about it. how the hell did he play test cricket for India. I think he is an average talent in the context of resource pool we have. ur views.
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 He has performed in Smat and Ipl , that what you need for selection. He has t20 game can access off and leg-sides, can hit 4/6 vs pace and spin. He is intnl. quality?? That can be tested in intnl games only. They gave him chances in odis and test which are not his best formats. Who are other middle order batter doing well ??? Do not fall for the trap that he does not look good on eyes, in t20s its about being effective, if he can handle good quality spin and pace than he should be in the side. elegant looking batters are not successful in t20s anymore
vvvslaxman Posted April 6 Posted April 6 I substract all chinnaswamy performances from a batsman's record before analyzing them. velu, GoldenSun, express bowling and 1 other 1 3
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I substract all chinnaswamy performances from a batsman's record before analyzing them. M. Chinnaswamy Stadium -- Avg 38 sr 168, Outside --Avg 28 sr 152
Ultimate_Game Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Patidar should come in after Iyer. Iyer deserves to get in as captain replacing the useless SKY. After Iyer, Patidar is next in line. But Patidar over SKY is an upgrade as well. At least we won't see those ugly swipes to fine leg and getting dismissed for a single digit score when needed. SKY was a good captain though but a passenger as a batter.
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 6 Posted April 6 13 minutes ago, tapandrun said: M. Chinnaswamy Stadium -- Avg 38 sr 168, Outside --Avg 28 sr 152 /thread? express bowling 1
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said: /thread? patidar record in and outside Chinnaswamy
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, tapandrun said: patidar record in and outside Chinnaswamy Exactly. /thread means "thread closed" after that stat was posted. tapandrun 1
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Patidar should come in after Iyer. Iyer deserves to get in as captain replacing the useless SKY. After Iyer, Patidar is next in line. But Patidar over SKY is an upgrade as well. At least we won't see those ugly swipes to fine leg and getting dismissed for a single digit score when needed. SKY was a good captain though but a passenger as a batter. Do not think Sky was a passenger, he was the 1st true t20 batter in Ind , he has 4 tons all decents bowling line-up that too in middle order think 2 of them are at #4 not that easy. He was unable to perform in icc-events , Best performer at number 4 in t20is, its a v.diff pos. to bat Player Runs at No. 4 Average Strike Rate Centuries at No. 4 Suryakumar Yadav (IND) 2,200+ 37.65 165.53 3 Glenn Maxwell (AUS) 1,300+ 31.50 154.50 2 Eoin Morgan (ENG) 1,315 26.83 139.30 0 David Miller (SA) 1,100+ 35.20 141.78 1 Glenn Phillips (NZ) 950+ 33.10 143.40 1 Edited April 6 by tapandrun
Ultimate_Game Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, tapandrun said: Do not think Sky was a passenger, he was the 1st true t20 batter in Ind , he has 4 tons all decents bowling line-up that too in middle order think 2 of them are at #4 not that easy. He was unable to perform in icc-events , Best performer at number 4 in t20is, its a v.diff pos. to bat Player Runs at No. 4 Average Strike Rate Centuries at No. 4 Suryakumar Yadav (IND) 2,200+ 37.65 165.53 3 Glenn Maxwell (AUS) 1,300+ 31.50 154.50 2 Eoin Morgan (ENG) 1,315 26.83 139.30 0 David Miller (SA) 1,100+ 35.20 141.78 1 Glenn Phillips (NZ) 950+ 33.10 143.40 1 Passenger in ICC tourneys. He's a bilateral king and a minnow basher. As soon as the ICC tourney kicks off and he comes up against better teams or bowling attacks he struggles. He has played 2021 WT20, 2022 WT20, 2023 ODI WC, 2024 WT20 and 2026 WT20 so far. That's 5 ICC tourneys and his best performance has been against USA in 2026 in a group stage. In fact his biggest contribution has been Miller's catch. Other than that he has mostly played supporting role and never managed to win a match on his own the way Tilak, Ishan, Abhishek, Dube, Samson, Pandya, Axar have. Literally every batter in the team has outperformed him in ICC tourneys. Even Axar is more clutch and better performances with the bat than SKY. SKY's stats are just like Chahal - great in bilaterals and meaningless games but when a big match rolls around you know what's gonna happen. Neither of them are gonna be much of a factor. The sooner India moves on from him and brings in Iyer, the better.
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 36 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Passenger in ICC tourneys. He's a bilateral king and a minnow basher. As soon as the ICC tourney kicks off and he comes up against better teams or bowling attacks he struggles. He has played 2021 WT20, 2022 WT20, 2023 ODI WC, 2024 WT20 and 2026 WT20 so far. That's 5 ICC tourneys and his best performance has been against USA in 2026 in a group stage. In fact his biggest contribution has been Miller's catch. Other than that he has mostly played supporting role and never managed to win a match on his own the way Tilak, Ishan, Abhishek, Dube, Samson, Pandya, Axar have. Literally every batter in the team has outperformed him in ICC tourneys. Even Axar is more clutch and better performances with the bat than SKY. SKY's stats are just like Chahal - great in bilaterals and meaningless games but when a big match rolls around you know what's gonna happen. Neither of them are gonna be much of a factor. The sooner India moves on from him and brings in Iyer, the better. Can understand the point with icc events and not performing vs top sides in those game, but here is the Icc event data for #4 batter, winning ability in big game for that pos. is still with yuvi, v.tough pos to play in t20is plus add Ind style of t20is Player Runs at No. 4 Matches at No. 4 Average Strike Rate Suryakumar Yadav (IND) 680 23 40.00 154.54 Yuvraj Singh (IND) 593 31 23.72 128.91 Glenn Maxwell (AUS) 560 22 28.50 152.00 Aiden Markram (SA) 520 18 34.00 140.00 Glenn Phillips (NZ) 480 15 32.00 142.50
Ultimate_Game Posted April 6 Posted April 6 40 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Can understand the point with icc events and not performing vs top sides in those game, but here is the Icc event data for #4 batter, winning ability in big game for that pos. is still with yuvi, v.tough pos to play in t20is plus add Ind style of t20is Player Runs at No. 4 Matches at No. 4 Average Strike Rate Suryakumar Yadav (IND) 680 23 40.00 154.54 Yuvraj Singh (IND) 593 31 23.72 128.91 Glenn Maxwell (AUS) 560 22 28.50 152.00 Aiden Markram (SA) 520 18 34.00 140.00 Glenn Phillips (NZ) 480 15 32.00 142.50 There're stats and then there're real stats. SKY's numbers and stats are similar to Pak saying they won 70% of their matches last year. But when you look under the hood you realize that Pak lost 16 off their 17 matches against SENAI since 2023! Yuvraj showed up in big matches. He won us the match against Eng in 2007 to take us to SF and then played one of the best T20 innings scoring 70 off 30 against Aus in 2007. And in 2011 his all-round performances were the ones which helped us win the tourney. Do you really think SKY has done anything close to Gambhir or anyone else for that matter in ICC tourneys? Most of SKY's runs are "fill in the boot" performances against minnows or bottom feeders. Check his stats against top sides or in knockouts and you'll see the truth. And SKY has played 5 tourneys by now so the sample size is large enough. He's like Gill and doesn't show up in big matches. Put it another way, say India are chasing in a WC/WT20 final and have lost their 2nd wkt. Whom would you like to see come in to the middle? My answer would be Iyer or even Patidar. In fact I would even go for Padikkal, Sai or Rinku but I wouldn't bet on a match-winning performance in a "winner takes all" game on SKY.
tapandrun Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: There're stats and then there're real stats. SKY's numbers and stats are similar to Pak saying they won 70% of their matches last year. But when you look under the hood you realize that Pak lost 16 off their 17 matches against SENAI since 2023! Yuvraj showed up in big matches. He won us the match against Eng in 2007 to take us to SF and then played one of the best T20 innings scoring 70 off 30 against Aus in 2007. And in 2011 his all-round performances were the ones which helped us win the tourney. Do you really think SKY has done anything close to Gambhir or anyone else for that matter in ICC tourneys? Most of SKY's runs are "fill in the boot" performances against minnows or bottom feeders. Check his stats against top sides or in knockouts and you'll see the truth. And SKY has played 5 tourneys by now so the sample size is large enough. He's like Gill and doesn't show up in big matches. Put it another way, say India are chasing in a WC/WT20 final and have lost their 2nd wkt. Whom would you like to see come in to the middle? My answer would be Iyer or even Patidar. In fact I would even go for Padikkal, Sai or Rinku but I wouldn't bet on a match-winning performance in a "winner takes all" game on SKY. This is mostly based on recent ipl performances of iyer and patidar Iyer has already been tried and played 50+ t20is has sr of ~135 , only 8 fifties(3 vs sl) and vs sena only eng is the side where his sr is above 125 Sure try patidar in intnl <-- has been posting this for sometime he has done well in domestic and ipl should get a chance. Sky is fading now, he also seems to have lost the power hence not able to access straight boundaries so need replacements for him. Number 4 is v.diff pos. in t20is. there have been no one you can model you batting style to. gave the data of all successful t20 #4 batter no one stood-out, The issue here is none knows how to play there at #4 in t20is, just look at option teams tries -- maxwell, markram. for the situation mentioned , would send a maxwell , in Ind perspective will send some sacrificial wkt some1 who can hit the ball not play dots and can create launch pads for other while keeping pressure on opp. Edited April 6 by tapandrun
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 hours ago, tapandrun said: This is mostly based on recent ipl performances of iyer and patidar Iyer has already been tried and played 50+ t20is has sr of ~135 , only 8 fifties(3 vs sl) and vs sena only eng is the side where his sr is above 125 Sure try patidar in intnl <-- has been posting this for sometime he has done well in domestic and ipl should get a chance. Sky is fading now, he also seems to have lost the power hence not able to access straight boundaries so need replacements for him. Number 4 is v.diff pos. in t20is. there have been no one you can model you batting style to. gave the data of all successful t20 #4 batter no one stood-out, The issue here is none knows how to play there at #4 in t20is, just look at option teams tries -- maxwell, markram. for the situation mentioned , would send a maxwell , in Ind perspective will send some sacrificial wkt some1 who can hit the ball not play dots and can create launch pads for other while keeping pressure on opp. Iyer changed the way he plays since he came back in the CT squad. He has been reliable and lends solidity to the team. We need someone like Iyer at 4 and the best part is that he's a spin basher. He's far ahead of SKY as batter and deserves to get in. We've all seen what SKY can do and Iyer has out-performed SKY in ICC tourneys.
tweaker Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Rajat Patidar may walk in the test team as Gambhir don't want Sarfaraz in the team.
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 7 Posted April 7 13 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: SKY's stats are just like Chahal - Time to start a "Yuz Chahal National Treasure" thread
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