Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Posted April 7 As the title says, Jaiswal and Sooryavanshi are the top T20 opening pair going around. You can add Abhishek in the mix as well but he's more inconsistent than the other two. While building for the next WT20, time we backed the right players. express bowling, New guy and deepdynamo 2 1
bowl_out Posted April 7 Posted April 7 It's time we field two T20I teams. We easily have 10-15 more players outside of the top 11 that can make a T20I team. Vaibhav, Priyansh, Jaiswal, Prabsimran, Patidar, Shashank, Ashutosh, Bishnoi, Sai Kishore to name a few. There are also high potential players like Vipraj, Mhatre, Urvil, Rizvi etc.
New guy Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: As the title says, Jaiswal and Sooryavanshi are the top T20 opening pair going around. You can add Abhishek in the mix as well but he's more inconsistent than the other two. While building for the next WT20, time we backed the right players. Bullshit, before he fell ill, Abhishek was scoring one 50 every 3 games in international, the most consistent T20 bat in the world which is why he was ranked no 1 and still is Claiming jaiswal is more consistent based on couple of IPL matches is asnine JaFanatic and tapandrun 2
tapandrun Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, New guy said: Bullshit, before he fell ill, Abhishek was scoring one 50 every 3 games in international, the most consistent T20 bat in the world which is why he was ranked no 1 and still is Claiming jaiswal is more consistent based on couple of IPL matches is asnine Abhishek has 4 t20i fifties with in Powerplay ** if nt wrong below is the data in pp IPL Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi IPL PP Fifties 2 1 0 2 Fastest IPL Fifty 13 balls (2023) 16 balls (2024) 27 balls (2022) 15 balls (2026) T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) IPL Career SR 153.58 163.41 138.92 218.71 Highest IPL Score 124 (62) 141 (55) 119 (63) 101 (38) T20is Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) Fastest T20I Fifty 21 balls 14 balls 22 balls 0 (N/A) T20I Career SR 164.32 190.46 156.84 0 (N/A) Most T20I Hundreds 1 2 3 0 (N/A) Highest T20I Score 100 (49) 135 (54) 111 (47) 0 (N/A) Jaiswal 100(49) was nepal, next is 81(50+) vs Wi Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi Priyansh Arya Prabhsimran Singh IPL PP Fifties 2 1 0 2 1 1 Fastest IPL Fifty 13 balls 16 balls 27 balls 15 balls 19 balls 18 balls T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) 0 (N/A) 0 (N/A) IPL Career SR 153.58 163.41 138.92 218.71 183.45 151.04 Highest IPL Score 124 (62) 141 (55) 119 (63) 101 (38) 103 (42) 103 (65) Jaiswal is not special compared to others, vaibahv has sr of 200+ Edited April 7 by tapandrun New guy 1
cricspirit Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, tapandrun said: Abhishek has 4 t20i fifties with in Powerplay IPL Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi IPL PP Fifties 2 1 0 2 Fastest IPL Fifty 13 balls (2023) 16 balls (2024) 27 balls (2022) 15 balls (2026) T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) IPL Career SR 153.58 163.41 138.92 218.71 Highest IPL Score 124 (62) 141 (55) 119 (63) 101 (38) T20is Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) Fastest T20I Fifty 21 balls 14 balls 22 balls 0 (N/A) T20I Career SR 164.32 190.46 156.84 0 (N/A) Most T20I Hundreds 1 2 3 0 (N/A) Highest T20I Score 100 (49) 135 (54) 111 (47) 0 (N/A) Jaiswal 100(49) was nepal, next is 81(50+) vs Wi Feature Yashasvi Jaiswal Abhishek Sharma Sanju Samson Vaibhav Suryavanshi Priyansh Arya Prabhsimran Singh IPL PP Fifties 2 1 0 2 1 1 Fastest IPL Fifty 13 balls 16 balls 27 balls 15 balls 19 balls 18 balls T20I PP Fifties 1 4 0 0 (N/A) 0 (N/A) 0 (N/A) IPL Career SR 153.58 163.41 138.92 218.71 183.45 151.04 Highest IPL Score 124 (62) 141 (55) 119 (63) 101 (38) 103 (42) 103 (65) Jaiswal is not special compared to others, vaibahv has sr of 200+ Jaiswal hasn't played enough. Only 23 T20I for Jaiswal. For someone who averages 36 with SR of 164, he would make into any team but cant get into Indian team. Abhishek is the only batter from India with higher T20I SR than Jaiswal. If we expand the search to all major teams then only 3 other players from major teams have higher SR than Jaiswal. Tim David , Fin Allen and Salt. That's it. Jaiswal is No.5 in SR among all players with min 500 international runs scored. Has higher average than all 4 above him. Pretty sure he will improve his record if he gets to play more. Edited April 7 by cricspirit express bowling and BacktoCricaddict 2
vvvslaxman Posted April 7 Posted April 7 In terms of ALl the key metrics Abhishek is stratosphically ahead of everyone else. Only Kishan is catching up now. 2025 IPL stats Abhsihek is significanlty superior in every metric. New guy, tapandrun and BacktoCricaddict 3
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) The only concern having them open for India now is that it throws off the balance we get from having a wk-opener. Something like this? V. Sooryavamshi S. Samson (wk) A. Sharma Y. Jaiswal I. Kishan H. Pandya S. Dube A. Patel A. Sharma A. Singh J. Bumrah OMG, where would I fit Sameer Rizvi? Edited April 7 by BacktoCricaddict express bowling and nevada 1 1
tapandrun Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, cricspirit said: Jaiswal hasn't played enough. Only 23 T20I for Jaiswal. For someone who averages 36 with SR of 164, he would make into any team but cant get into Indian team. Abhishek is the only batter from India with higher T20I SR than Jaiswal. If we expand the search to all major teams then only 3 other players from major teams have higher SR than Jaiswal. Tim David , Fin Allen and Salt. That's it. Jaiswal is No.5 in SR among all players with min 500 international runs scored. Has higher average than all 4 above him. Pretty sure he will improve his record if he gets to play more. Jaiswal has mostly played vs weaker opp. (b/c level sides), again is he a good t20 batter--- yes, but Ind has better optn. Its fair to assume his sr and avg will only drop if he will play vs better opp. There is only one slot open as you would want a wk to open in anycase this opens up a slot in mo. Jaiswal's challengers are Arya, Vaibhav and right now vaibhav is the best option so if wk is not opening for Ind then only opening pair is Abhishek +vaibhav. Jaiswal is not that better than sanju opening, sanju also has sr of 180 while opening and career sr of 155+ <-- he has played better opp. jaiswal will not elevate this side by much and may disturb balance. disturbing can not done only when the pro are too high like abhishek+vaibhav opening. Edited April 7 by tapandrun Nileshkohli 1
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Author Posted April 7 20 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: The only concern having them open for India now is that it throws off the balance we get from having a wk-opener. Something like this? V. Sooryavamshi S. Samson (wk) A. Sharma Y. Jaiswal I. Kishan H. Pandya S. Dube A. Patel A. Sharma A. Singh J. Bumrah OMG, where would I fit Sameer Rizvi? The only way you do that is by finding someone else to keep. Either find a middle or lower order wk keeper, or go with Ishan as the keeper. Say Ishan is the wkt keeper than you may potentially go with: Abhishek/Sooryavanshi Jaiswal/Sooryavanshi (Pick 2 from Abhishek, Jaiswal and Sooryavanshi, with Arya as the 4th option) Ishan (wk) (or Samson) Iyer (c) (Backup Patidar) Pandya Dube Parag Axar/Krunal Bishnoi/Kuldeep/Varun or any other in form spinner Arshdeep Bumrah
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Author Posted April 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, New guy said: Bullshit, before he fell ill, Abhishek was scoring one 50 every 3 games in international, the most consistent T20 bat in the world which is why he was ranked no 1 and still is Claiming jaiswal is more consistent based on couple of IPL matches is asnine You pick 2 out of the 3 who're performing the best. If Abhishek's form drops off replace him with another. The whole point of "no stars bigger than the game" is that you play players on form else it'll be another Kohli and KL type of situation where players are in the team forever. Only the names will change. Yesterday it was Kohli, tomorrow it'll be Abhishek. o be at the top you've to be like Aussies who didn't hesitate to drop Steve Waugh in 2003 despite Waugh winning them the WC in 1999. This type of ruthlessness is what wins you trophies. We saw how this mindset works as we dropped Gill and brought in Samson. If we had done the same old thing of protecting stars and played Gill we would've been knocked out in the Super 8 stage itself. This is the approach which needs to continue and if Abhishek is the player who's dropped for better performing player(s), so be it. I'm an Indian Cricket fan, not a fan of any player or star. I'll want every Indian player to perform and succeed but if someone better comes along, then they get the chance. Nobody's spot should be guaranteed forever. Edited April 7 by Ultimate_Game
Nileshkohli Posted April 7 Posted April 7 Jaiswal played most of matches against 2nd string team. He also played in asian games against associate nation. He is good in powerplay. After pp he slow down. tapandrun 1
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Ideally India should rotate the combination like jaiswal/Samson , Abhishek/Vaibhav, Jaiswal/Abhishek, Samson/Vaibhav like that. cricspirit 1
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Posted April 8 All said and done i prefer a right hander at the top , this off spin usage messed us up. If anything Tilak varma's spot may be in danger given that he has certain limitations.
cricspirit Posted April 8 Posted April 8 I think Suryavanshi needs to mature a bit more. May be 1 more year before he gets internationals. He gets too upset when he gets out. You cant just smash bang 200SR and make lot of runs everyday. Dont want to ruin his confidence. Ease him in slowly. Jaiswal should get ODI first. Also Kishan is doing opening or no.3 slot. Same can happen to Jaiswal on rotation basis as suggested. Point about Jaiswal not playing top sides. Dont matter. He is a high quality player. He can score against anyone like he does in IPL.
tapandrun Posted April 8 Posted April 8 6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Ideally India should rotate the combination like jaiswal/Samson , Abhishek/Vaibhav, Jaiswal/Abhishek, Samson/Vaibhav like that. Add Arya too in above combination. The most brutal combination will be Abhishek+Vaibhav but then you need to find a wk who can bat in mo <-- Abhisheh+Vaibhav+kishan will create same all lh batter in the top 3 as it did in wc. the only upgrade to current combination is vaibhav+abhishek. Do not think Abhishek+Jaiswal is any big upgrade to Abhishek+Sanju As Ind still does not have a t20i level wk who can play in mo then all the wk in current rotation have to open. So the combination can be abhishek+wk , Vaibhav+wk. Play them in diff. combination try-out which works best, shortly there will be need to find the replacement for sky too check if there some1 who can make team much stronge. If keeping sanju aside. here is the order if Ind openers in terms of t20 ability. Abhishek(as he has done it at intnl level)> Vaibhav (has evrything that says he will do well at intnl level)>Jaiswal(He has played intnl cricket looks sorted, good in ipl but in t20is has only played b/c level sides)> Arya (close competitor to Jaiswal but still needs to be tested at intnl level and want him to be bit more consistent)
cricspirit Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: All said and done i prefer a right hander at the top , this off spin usage messed us up. If anything Tilak varma's spot may be in danger given that he has certain limitations. How about SKY getting dropped now? Why should his position be secure. Tilak at no.5 ?? Basically we have 6 batting spots and lot of choices. Abhishek Samson Kishan Jaiswal Tilak Iyer SkY Parag Suryavanshi Jitesh Dube Rinku Other names will come up by the time IPL is done. Arya, Rizvi, Padikkal, Patidar, Jurel.. who knows.
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, cricspirit said: How about SKY getting dropped now? Why should his position be secure. Tilak at no.5 ?? Basically we have 6 batting spots and lot of choices. Abhishek Samson Kishan Jaiswal Tilak Iyer SkY Parag Suryavanshi Jitesh Dube Rinku Other names will come up by the time IPL is done. Arya, Rizvi, Padikkal, Patidar, Jurel.. who knows. SKY out Iyer In. Iyer is the best captaincy option available Ultimate_Game 1
cricspirit Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, vvvslaxman said: SKY out Iyer In. Iyer is the best captaincy option available Not yet. Iyer needs to be selected first. Selectors can keep.going with SKY
vvvslaxman Posted April 8 Posted April 8 6 minutes ago, tapandrun said: Add Arya too in above combination. The most brutal combination will be Abhishek+Vaibhav but then you need to find a wk who can bat in mo <-- Abhisheh+Vaibhav+kishan will create same all lh batter in the top 3 as it did in wc. the only upgrade to current combination is vaibhav+abhishek. Do not think Abhishek+Jaiswal is any big upgrade to Abhishek+Sanju As Ind still does not have a t20i level wk who can play in mo then all the wk in current rotation have to open. So the combination can be abhishek+wk , Vaibhav+wk. Play them in diff. combination try-out which works best, shortly there will be need to find the replacement for sky too check if there some1 who can make team much stronge. If keeping sanju aside. here is the order if Ind openers in terms of t20 ability. Abhishek(as he has done it at intnl level)> Vaibhav (has evrything that says he will do well at intnl level)>Jaiswal(He has played intnl cricket looks sorted, good in ipl but in t20is has only played b/c level sides)> Arya (close competitor to Jaiswal but still needs to be tested at intnl level and want him to be bit more consistent) Sanju has two advantages. He is a keeper. He is a right hander. But Vaibhav can bowl too. tapandrun 1
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