zen Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Isn’t “get the top order out and win the game” one of the most stupid or generic statements? Most teams only have 2-3 good batsmen. If a team has more good batsmen, its bowling attack would likely suffer. Some teams play there key batters at the top, some have them in MO, some teams have them spread out! tapandrun 1
maniac Posted May 14 Posted May 14 27 minutes ago, zen said: Isn’t “get the top order out and win the game” one of the most stupid or generic statements? Most are Indian commentators and that’s the way it used to be with us not too long ago
zen Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 1 minute ago, maniac said: Most are Indian commentators and that’s the way it used to be with us not too long ago Because teams like Australia and SA used to be very strong all round. But IPL teams are more or less evenly balanced now. It is as if these guys look for “known” names to judge a team, ignoring current form and upcoming players playing in familiar conditions. For many commentators, most “known” names in the squad = strong squad.
Lord Posted May 14 Posted May 14 early top order wickets makes it virtually impossible to post a big score
vvvslaxman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Lord said: early top order wickets makes it virtually impossible to post a big score It is true certain teams struggle. Look at RCB. Twice KOhli got out for duck. They lost one. ALmost lost another one. Teams with feeble middle order ona high scoring venue will struggle without top order contribution. Almost every team that win are through power play performance either with ball or bat. Only KKR is exeption where they controlled middle phase better. rollingstoned 1
zen Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Lord said: early top order wickets makes it virtually impossible to post a big score That would be because many teams play their top 2-3 batsmen in the top order. Some teams even have their key batsman in the top order like RR (Suryavanshi), RCB (Kohli), CSK (Samson), etc. For some teams, one or more of the top 2-3 batsmen in the team play in the middle order like MI (Tilak), KKR (Rinku), etc. Therefore, it is not about get “the top order out”, a generic surface level statement, but more about get the top batsmen out. Most teams have 2-3 batsmen they rely on but matches still produce new heroes and upcoming stars. Edited May 14 by zen
tapandrun Posted May 14 Posted May 14 This season may be can be said for rr and gt to some extent. but historically the successful ipl sides have always been good to spread out player , os player such that they have batting till5/6. Thats v.few sides have both openers to be os player. each team tries to separate os batters by atleat 1 ind capped/domestic batter
Ultimate_Game Posted May 15 Posted May 15 9 hours ago, zen said: Isn’t “get the top order out and win the game” one of the most stupid or generic statements? Most teams only have 2-3 good batsmen. If a team has more good batsmen, its bowling attack would likely suffer. Some teams play there key batters at the top, some have them in MO, some teams have them spread out! Well the challenge with such teams happen in knockouts and high-pressure games. Haven't we seen it enough times with Kohli's India teams and RCB? Batting depth always helps especially in the knockouts.
zen Posted May 15 Author Posted May 15 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Well the challenge with such teams happen in knockouts and high-pressure games. Haven't we seen it enough times with Kohli's India teams and RCB? Batting depth always helps especially in the knockouts. It is not practical to compare national teams with IPL teams. BCCI has access to all national players without restrictions while IPL teams are subject to auction dynamics and compete for players. IPL teams have to make adjustments based on what players they end up with. If teams invest too much in batting, they can lose out on bowling. Most IPL teams lack batting depth if we simply go by known names. Most teams have 2-3 known batters. If they have more, their bowling would be relatively weak. Edited May 15 by zen
Ultimate_Game Posted May 15 Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, zen said: It is not practical to compare national teams with IPL teams. BCCI has access to all national players without restrictions while IPL teams are subject to auction dynamics and compete for players. IPL teams have to make adjustments based on what players they end up with. If teams invest too much in batting, they can lose out on bowling. Most IPL teams lack batting depth if we simply go by known names. Most teams have 2-3 known batters. If they have more, their bowling would be relatively weak. Even then depth is a better option than go with 3 mega stars and rest no-names. I would prefer 1-2 stars, 3-4 decent batters and 1-2 youngsters and tail who can hold the bat. Not a team like RCB of old where you had ABDB, Gayle, Kohli and KL and rest fillers. You lose 2-3 quick wkts and it's game over.
zen Posted May 15 Author Posted May 15 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Even then depth is a better option than go with 3 mega stars and rest no-names. I would prefer 1-2 stars, 3-4 decent batters and 1-2 youngsters and tail who can hold the bat. Not a team like RCB of old where you had ABDB, Gayle, Kohli and KL and rest fillers. You lose 2-3 quick wkts and it's game over. Most teams have a bunch of no name players. They make their names through performances. Guys like Abhishek have only blossomed recently. Suryavanshi is rare but again kudos to RR for playing him. CSK has a bunch of no name players in its line up including Urvil. Most viewers would say Urvil at 3 is a weak number 3 but for CSK think tank he is to be used in a particular way. Therefore, it is better to understand what the teams are trying to do rather than judge all teams based on a generic formula devised on our perception of how the game should be played - that is the larger point this thread is making. Edited May 15 by zen
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