Our ODI team is too jaded and lacks X factor to win the ODI WC

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

Idiotic post. 
 

Kohli scoring 76(59) when all the other batsman did squat helped us score 170+.

 

We were 34/3 at one time and things were looking bleak before Kohli put his foot down and rebuilt the innings. 170+ has never been chased in a t20 finals.

 

Stop dicing the stats according to your own whims and fantasies.

 

 

Even in espn impact metric his batting impact points were same as Axar. Which means he was our best batsman in that match.

 

 

THE MOTM in the finals was cherry on top and all do kaudi ke haters are still crying over that.

 

You probably have to revisit the match thread and how we were frustrated with a seflish innings from over number  2 to 17 lol Axar had hit 3 sixes. Bloody Virat did not hit a single six till 18th over that is after he got to his 50. A lesser batsman like Axar who was sent in for stopping the collapse played far more aggressively. India had a massive escape that day thanks to India's last 5 overs on the field. 

 

In a 20 over game nobody will justify consolidation for 17 overs at a strike rate of barely 100 in a 20 over game. The reason  Kohli has higher metric is only because he ate up half the overs and made 76 runs.  10 overs  76  runs. Imagine others going at that rate . That would be 152.  Luckily others contributed more. 

 

It was a pathetic innings. If you don't see it that way then you have to take your rose-tinted glass. SOmehow trying to project a net-negative innings as some kind of legendary innings.

[cricspirit]

Jaiswal replacing Rohit and Ishan replacing KL Rahul should do it.

 

Keep KL in the squad as back up. Tell Rohit to go. 

 

New bowlers coming up. Only Bumrah from old camp. We still have to find a spinner or spin allrounder. NOT sundar.

 

Possible top 8.

 

Jaiswal 

Gill 

Virat

Shreyas

Ishan

Hardik

Axar

Harshit

 

[Ultimate_Game]

Look at Jaiswal's stats in ODIs despite not being backed and playing random matches here and there...

 

6 Innings
285 Runs
71.25 Average
97.60 Strike Rate
2 Hundreds

 

And this guy is likely to miss out thanks to a 40 year old Rohit and Ishan will sit out coz another 40 year old Kohli will walk into the team after his vacation 

 

See the difference in the team and energy from the NZ ODI series earlier. This one looked better thanks to youngsters but we'll be going back to "experience"  

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Look at Jaiswal's stats in ODIs despite not being backed and playing random matches here and there...

 

6 Innings
285 Runs
71.25 Average
97.60 Strike Rate
2 Hundreds

 

And this guy is likely to miss out thanks to a 40 year old Rohit and Ishan will sit out coz another 40 year old Kohli will walk into the team after his vacation 

 

See the difference in the team and energy from the NZ ODI series earlier. This one looked better thanks to youngsters but we'll be going back to "experience"  

Here is a small table of the matches where both Jaiswal and Rohit played together, their total runs are v.similar in those games  and only times jiawal got tons where when rohit also got 75+ runs and if rohit was bit patient he could have scored ton as well

 

The is no much of a diff, if only a sample of 6 games is taken

 

Rohit Sharma & Yashasvi Jaiswal Combined ODI Match List

Match #	Opponent	Date	Rohit Sharma Score	Yashasvi Jaiswal Score	Match Result
1	England	Feb 6, 2025	2	15	India Won
2	South Africa	Nov 30, 2025	57	18	India Won
3	South Africa	Dec 3, 2025	14	22	India Lost
4	South Africa	Dec 6, 2025	75	116*	India Won
5	Afghanistan	Jun 17, 2026	48	4	India Won
6	Afghanistan	Jun 20, 2026	79	110*	India Won
TOTAL			275 Runs	285 Runs

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[Ultimate_Game]

49 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Here is a small table of the matches where both Jaiswal and Rohit played together, their total runs are v.similar in those games  and only times jiawal got tons where when rohit also got 75+ runs and if rohit was bit patient he could have scored ton as well

 

The is no much of a diff, if only a sample of 6 games is taken

 

Rohit Sharma & Yashasvi Jaiswal Combined ODI Match List

Match #	Opponent	Date	Rohit Sharma Score	Yashasvi Jaiswal Score	Match Result
1	England	Feb 6, 2025	2	15	India Won
2	South Africa	Nov 30, 2025	57	18	India Won
3	South Africa	Dec 3, 2025	14	22	India Lost
4	South Africa	Dec 6, 2025	75	116*	India Won
5	Afghanistan	Jun 17, 2026	48	4	India Won
6	Afghanistan	Jun 20, 2026	79	110*	India Won
TOTAL			275 Runs	285 Runs

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Difference is that Jaiswal is starting his career and has played just 6 games in his entire ODI career and Rohit has been playing for the better part of 2 decades. Plus Jaiswal got his matches on an inconsistent basis and was never a permanent member of the team. For Jaiswal to perform at the same level or higher than Rohit when he's just starting of and doesn't even have the spot nailed down speaks volumes.

 

Imagine what he'll do if he's backed and given a starting spot? And look at the upside as Jaiswal grows into the role and gets more experience in the ODI game. OTOH there's no upside to Rohit. If Jaiswal is backed and given the opening spot his numbers will improve but Rohit's reflexes and fitness levels are only going to go down further and the WC is still 1.5 years away. It's a no-brainer that Jaiswal should be given the spot over Rohit who doesn't have much to offer anymore.

[tapandrun]

50 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Difference is that Jaiswal is starting his career and has played just 6 games in his entire ODI career and Rohit has been playing for the better part of 2 decades. Plus Jaiswal got his matches on an inconsistent basis and was never a permanent member of the team. For Jaiswal to perform at the same level or higher than Rohit when he's just starting of and doesn't even have the spot nailed down speaks volumes.

 

Imagine what he'll do if he's backed and given a starting spot? And look at the upside as Jaiswal grows into the role and gets more experience in the ODI game. OTOH there's no upside to Rohit. If Jaiswal is backed and given the opening spot his numbers will improve but Rohit's reflexes and fitness levels are only going to go down further and the WC is still 1.5 years away. It's a no-brainer that Jaiswal should be given the spot over Rohit who doesn't have much to offer anymore.

 

The thing is both kolhi and rohit are able to make it to Ind side on merit, they are not dragging-on , if replacements are not head and shoulders above these 2 they wont be able to push them to retirement till the wc.

 

 

As for Jaiswal he is already the 3rd opener , decision is already made and top6 are already locked. And till the time he is not the 1/2 opener he should try to play in mo till the wc, team should try him see if the can be fitted to 4/5/6 a solid LH in mo in Odis is needed.

 

Edited June 21 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

 

The thing is both kolhi and rohit are able to make it to Ind side on merit, they are not dragging-on , if replacements are not head and shoulders above these 2 they wont be able to push them to retirement till the wc.

 

 

As for Jaiswal he is already the 3rd opener , decision is already made and top6 are already locked. And till the time he is not the 1/2 opener he should try to play in mo till the wc, team should try him see if the can be fitted to 4/5/6 a solid LH in mo in Odis is needed.

 

 

How will a youngster do better when they barely get chances? Jaiswal has got 6 ODIs and he has scored 2 100s and averages 71! That's success in my book. Do you recall Rohit when he made his debut for India? He came in 2008 and struggled till 2013 when Dhoni pushed him to open and even then he took another couple of years to establish himself. So Rohit took 6-7 years to establish himself in the team and Jaiswal has outshone him in just 6 games!

 

Rohit and Kohli never had to face such scrutiny and if we had judged them the same way what we're expecting our youngsters to do now, they would never have made it to the team. Difference is that Dhoni was patient with both and backed them. Dhoni went after the seniors and likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir were forced out in favor of youngsters even though neither Rohit or Kohli were world beaters at the time. Yet we're not extending the same courtesy to the current generation?

 

If we had continued to play Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar forever, Rohit and Kohli would never have made it. It's time the current team management and selectors do the same what Dhoni did to seniors decade and a half ago.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

How will a youngster do better when they barely get chances? Jaiswal has got 6 ODIs and he has scored 2 100s and averages 71! That's success in my book. Do you recall Rohit when he made his debut for India? He came in 2008 and struggled till 2013 when Dhoni pushed him to open and even then he took another couple of years to establish himself. So Rohit took 6-7 years to establish himself in the team and Jaiswal has outshone him in just 6 games!

 

Rohit and Kohli never had to face such scrutiny and if we had judged them the same way what we're expecting our youngsters to do now, they would never have made it to the team. Difference is that Dhoni was patient with both and backed them. Dhoni went after the seniors and likes of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir were forced out in favor of youngsters even though neither Rohit or Kohli were world beaters at the time. Yet we're not extending the same courtesy to the current generation?

 

If we had continued to play Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar forever, Rohit and Kohli would never have made it. It's time the current team management and selectors do the same what Dhoni did to seniors decade and a half ago.

 

Posted this previously too, Ind cricketing system is going thorough a sift , the u-19 players are no longer directly roped into Ind side after 1-2 domestic seasons , which was the case till rohit/kolhi batch.

 

Now they want players to come through the domestic channel+ipl and hence no one is able to make a debut at 21 and be a regular member by 23, this is also to do with the increase in retirement ages of senior players, which has increase by 2-3 years and hence younger player debut is also shifted by 2 yrs, this has also to do with less developed power game of player by 21-23 yo for current white-ball.

 

As for both Kolhi and Rohit were mo batters and team needed mo batter, do not want to go into why dhoni removed sachin/Sehwag/Gambhir bt it was nt to include Kolhi and Rohit.

 

Rohit and kolhi were the top talent at that time, right now there are multiple players plus there are seniors who are doing relatively well. 

 

Some player may get leapfoged or just see the bus leaving -- This is happening to Rutu who was seen as the next opener after rohit but his chance never came , jaiswal is top potential player hence he is been kept in the loop. He is getting his chances. he is 24 yo and by the timelines he will be a permanent player by 25 yrs. Gill has also gone through the same thing. 

 

As for wc its clear rohit will open unless he himself calls it a day. donot think he is going to do that, he retired after t20i wc and then from tests. Winning a wc could have easily given him 2 more yrs in t20is bt he may have been asked to let go of the format for secure spot in Odis till the wc.   

 

 

 

 

Edited June 21 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

38 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Posted this previously too, Ind cricketing system is going thorough a sift , the u-19 players are no longer directly roped into Ind side after 1-2 domestic seasons , which was the case till rohit/kolhi batch.

 

Now they want players to come through the domestic channel+ipl and hence no one is able to make a debut at 21 and be a regular member by 23, this is also to do with the increase in retirement ages of senior players, which has increase by 2-3 years and hence younger player debut is also shifted by 2 yrs, this has also to do with less developed power game of player by 21-23 yo for current white-ball.

 

As for both Kolhi and Rohit were mo batters and team needed mo batter, do not want to go into why dhoni removed sachin/Sehwag/Gambhir bt it was nt to include Kolhi and Rohit.

 

Rohit and kolhi were the top talent at that time, right now there are multiple players plus there are seniors who are doing relatively well. 

 

Some player may get leapfoged or just see the bus leaving -- This is happening to Rutu who was seen as the next opener after rohit but his chance never came , jaiswal is top potential player hence he is been kept in the loop. He is getting his chances. he is 24 yo and by the timelines he will be a permanent player by 25 yrs. Gill has also gone through the same thing. 

 

As for wc its clear rohit will open unless he himself calls it a day. donot think he is going to do that, he retired after t20i wc and then from tests. Winning a wc could have easily given him 2 more yrs in t20is bt he may have been asked to let go of the format for secure spot in Odis till the wc.   

 

 

 

 

 

Jaiswal is already an established player and has been our best Test batter since the past 3-4 years. Ishan has been playing intls since the last 3-4 years. Sai performed so well in SA almost 5 years ago. Yet all 3 can't be starters coz they're waiting for 40 year olds to retire and selectors are not doing their job.

 

Our youngsters have shown they can deliver. They beat Aus in Aus in 2020-21 and look at how they performed in the recent WT20! We heard so many fanboys claim that India would "struggle" without Kohli and Rohit or how they've been propping up the team. Yet youngsters showed that we've under-performed with the way they've shown up every time they got a chance. Can you seriously believe India would've scored 250+ in knockouts in WT20 with the so called "experienced" players?

 

The ODI WC is 1.5 years away. There's enough time to build a decent team but we're still going with the safe option with "experienced" players. You don't win tourneys by playing "safe". Do you truly believe a team consisting of Rohit, Kohli, KL and Jadeja/Sundar can win a WC? Do you really believe they can do what our youngsters did in WT20, i.e. blow the opponents away in knockouts? I don't. I've never seen them raise their games in must-wins or put the game away. They've consistently scored below-par and if we don't make any changes, it'll be the same old story.

 

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results. How is our selection not insanity at this point when we're selecting nearly the same team but all the so called "experienced" players 4 years older and we don't have an in-form peak Shami anymore.

[wanted_desi]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

The thing is both kolhi and rohit are able to make it to Ind side on merit, they are not dragging-on , if replacements are not head and shoulders above these 2 they wont be able to push them to retirement till the wc.

 

 

As for Jaiswal he is already the 3rd opener , decision is already made and top6 are already locked. And till the time he is not the 1/2 opener he should try to play in mo till the wc, team should try him see if the can be fitted to 4/5/6 a solid LH in mo in Odis is needed.

 

 

You realize World Cup is at end of the next year. There is hardly difference between Jaiswal and Rohit. Ishan and Kohli, difference again isn't much. 

[Adamant]

16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

You probably have to revisit the match thread and how we were frustrated with a seflish innings from over number  2 to 17 lol Axar had hit 3 sixes. Bloody Virat did not hit a single six till 18th over that is after he got to his 50. A lesser batsman like Axar who was sent in for stopping the collapse played far more aggressively. India had a massive escape that day thanks to India's last 5 overs on the field. 

 

In a 20 over game nobody will justify consolidation for 17 overs at a strike rate of barely 100 in a 20 over game. The reason  Kohli has higher metric is only because he ate up half the overs and made 76 runs.  10 overs  76  runs. Imagine others going at that rate . That would be 152.  Luckily others contributed more. 

 

It was a pathetic innings. If you don't see it that way then you have to take your rose-tinted glass. SOmehow trying to project a net-negative innings as some kind of legendary innings.

The ICC did not see it that way and neither did most of the logical fans.

 

If he did not score in that innings we would not have reached 170+.

 

The ones reacting to your post also agreed with that, I know your favourite was kicked out of yhe team and given no respect whatsoever but there is no reason to hate on those who actually won us ICC trophies.

 

Secondly, the espn impact metrics counts str rate too so its not just based on balls faced lol. It is an impact metrics counts str, which means Kohli had a great impact with the bat and no one with a working brain would be able to refute that. That innings was th difference between us collapsing on 120 and rwachin 170+.

[Adamant]

9 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Look at Jaiswal's stats in ODIs despite not being backed and playing random matches here and there...

 

6 Innings
285 Runs
71.25 Average
97.60 Strike Rate
2 Hundreds

 

And this guy is likely to miss out thanks to a 40 year old Rohit and Ishan will sit out coz another 40 year old Kohli will walk into the team after his vacation 

 

See the difference in the team and energy from the NZ ODI series earlier. This one looked better thanks to youngsters but we'll be going back to "experience"  

You want Ishan over Kohli in Odis?

 

Abe gadha hai kya?

 

You are kidding me right, that 5 footiya hack over Kohli? 
 

You do understand that he will fold against major opposition, right?

 

 

Good Lord. This is the IQ level of people i am dealing with here.

 

Bro if you say this outside this forum you will get banned, what a load of horseshit.

 

 

Ishan over Kohli in Odis 

 

 

Edited June 21 by Adamant

[Adamant]

The best thing about ICf is that this poster will be able to find a couple of faggots who will support his stance of picking Kishan over Kohli in Odis.
 

This is the only forum where even the idea will be entertained.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

You want Ishan over Kohli in Odis?

 

Abe gadha hai kya?

 

You are kidding me right, that 5 footiya hack over Kohli? 
 

You do understand that he will fold against major opposition, right?

 

 

Good Lord. This is the IQ level of people i am dealing with here.

 

Bro if you say this outside this forum you will get banned, what a load of horseshit.

 

 

Ishan over Kohli in Odis 

 

 

 

Jaiswal/Sooryavanshi, Ishan and Sai are more likely to win us the ODI WC than the perennial under-achievers Rohit, Kohli and KL. We've seen the same story over the last 3 WCs. At least Ishan won't shyte his pants in the final.

[JaFanatic]

Likely batting order if things go as it is right now

 

Vaibhav

Rohit

Gill

Kohli

Kishan

...........

Pandya

They'll prefer someone who could also bowl at 6

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

The best thing about ICf is that this poster will be able to find a couple of faggots who will support his stance of picking Kishan over Kohli in Odis.
 

This is the only forum where even the idea will be entertained.

 

And nowhere in the world will we see Kohli celebrated over Bumrah. Maybe you can go to the stadium and jump around like a baboon with "King Kohli" placard when we fail in another ODI WC and blame bowlers.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, JaFanatic said:

Likely batting order if things go as it is right now

 

Vaibhav

Rohit

Gill

Kohli

Kishan

...........

Pandya

They'll prefer someone who could also bowl at 6

 

You can't win with 2 40 year olds. There's no way someone like Jaiswal should sit out for a has been like Rohit when Jaiswal is averaging 71 in ODIs from 6 matches with 2 100s!

[JaFanatic]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

You can't win with 2 40 year olds. There's no way someone like Jaiswal should sit out for a has been like Rohit when Jaiswal is averaging 71 in ODIs from 6 matches with 2 100s!

I would love to see vaibhav bat alongside Kohli 

 

We'll see there's still enough time and we have good potential youngsters to step up to internationals. But as it is right now they both seem to make it.

[Adamant]

8 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Jaiswal/Sooryavanshi, Ishan and Sai are more likely to win us the ODI WC than the perennial under-achievers Rohit, Kohli and KL. We've seen the same story over the last 3 WCs. At least Ishan won't shyte his pants in the final.

He will shite his pants not only in the final but everytime a decent opposition comes up in SA.

 

Luckily the selectors have a working brain and no one apart from you is thinking of replacing Kohli with Ishan.

 

Kohli scored 55(63) in finals, what Iyer did (0) is called shitting the bed.

 

Ishan is never going to play any Odi world cup final.

[express bowling]

The biggest problem with having aging super-duper stars, in the scheme of things for a tournament 15 months away, is that ... they will HAVE to be in the playing 11 irrespective of their form and ability 15 months later.

 

Now it is possible that both will do well ... or atleast one will do well ( Kohli has a better chance of batting well ) ... but even if they look totally out of sorts, or Sooryavanshi or Jaiswal look as clearly better picks a year later, the super-duper stars will have to be picked. 

 

Compare this with a young star like Gill. Was forcefully brought in the T20I 11. But could be removed for the T20 WC 26 as other top order batters looked much better T20I prospects. This would not have been possible with aging super-duper stars. Plus the whole batting order will have to be arranged keeping their spots fixed.

 

Now, if a year later, Kohli and Rohit seem like the 2 best picks for top 3, I have no problem in them getting selected. But their selection won't be on merit if they decide to play.

Edited June 21 by express bowling