Sid Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 2 balls in the innings by Andre Russell : 34.6 Russell to Wright, no run, well, that was odd...Russell appeared to lose his run up but continued to deliver. Wright left a full ball outside off, the indicated he wasn't sure what happened. Anyway, it's over 47.2 Russell to Tremlett, 1 run, full and straight again but Tremlett somehow manages to pat down the ground. Hmm, not sure what to make of that. Russell pretended to pull out the delivery just before reaching the crease, before straightening up and landing his yorker. Trying to sell Tremlett a dummy. Now both of these balls were bowled with a start -stop action,trying to fool the batsman.Question arises ,Is it legal or not? Russell was not even given any warning by the umpires ,so I presume its legal :hmmmm2: And in the mid innings show,Simon Hughes made a very good point about this being very similar to spinners who deliver some of their bowls with a little delay in their action like Raina,Ray Price etc. What you guys think ?
asterix Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 I remember Jimmy Amarnath bowling like that..He was like almost unable to carry on in his final delivery strides and then suddenly bowls a quick delivery..
Sid Posted March 17, 2011 Author Posted March 17, 2011 I remember Jimmy Amarnath bowling like that..He was like almost unable to carry on in his final delivery strides and then suddenly bowls a quick delivery.. These are two different things,Jimmy was running like that throughout his run up :cantstop:,but here the bowler,changes the pace of his run up in between trying to sell batsman the dummy
Ultimate_Game Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 2 balls in the innings by Andre Russell : Now both of these balls were bowled with a start -stop action,trying to fool the batsman.Question arises ,Is it legal or not? Russell was not even given any warning by the umpires ,so I presume its legal :hmmmm2: And in the mid innings show,Simon Hughes made a very good point about this being very similar to spinners who deliver some of their bowls with a little delay in their action like Raina,Ray Price etc. What you guys think ? It's batsman's fault for not pulling out while facing the bowler. If batsman is not comfortable or think the bowler is pulling out the batsman has every right to pull out of his stance and move away from the crease. I remember an instance where Gillespie spread his arms wide like airplane celebration while he was coming in to bowl and Dravid (I think it was Dravid but could be someone else) moved away. Gillespie wasn't happy but had to go back and start all over :smiley:
veer Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 that's against the spirit of the game.. selling a dummy like that..
kabira Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 it was against the spirit, because he was pretending to pull out of the run up.
Gotham Cronie Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Is it along the same lines of what Ray Price did against Pakistan? He came in, put his arm over his head, paused, and then let it go.
asterix Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Batsmen need to pull out..He may repeat the same thing against India.
coffee_rules Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 That's cheating. It's akin to wicketkeeper hiding the ball in the pad and pretending to call a fielder to stop and run the batsmen out when the batsmen go for a run.
keba Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 If you have a look at law 42 (Fair and unfair play) clause 4 (Deliberate attempt to distract striker) not only can it be considered as being against the spirit of the game (i.e. cheating), but, the specific case and its consequences are discussed. It is clear from his actions that Andre Russell makes a deliberate attempt to distract the striker when he feigns the act of pulling out of his delivery before continuing to bowl the ball. As such the umpire should signal dead ball and make the appropriate warnings. Any following instance should result in 5 penalty runs followed by match referee sanctions at the end of the game. I believe that Russell's actions are a clear and easy to discern case of cheating as the movements are exagerated. You could argue that the batsman should pull out, however, the whole design of the ploy is to distract him in the process of preparing to receive the forthcoming delivery. The ploy seems to be having the desired effect. The umpires need to step in and apply the existing law. Russell's cheating can be separated from the act of a slight pause in action or from the act of a batsman changing to the reverse sweep etc.
RedFlow Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Even first time umpire half signaled dead ball but he carried on.
keba Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Even first time umpire half signaled dead ball but he carried on. Yes, This is the only instance that I personally saw. It was the delivery to Wright in the WI v England game. The umpire started to signal dead ball as he believed that Russell was pulling out of the delivery. The ploy also distracted the umpire in this case. Apparently he also cheated, using the same ploy, a number of times in the Ireland game.
Prakat Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 That's cheating. It's akin to wicketkeeper hiding the ball in the pad and pretending to call a fielder to stop and run the batsmen out when the batsmen go for a run. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
flamy Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 That's cheating. It's akin to wicketkeeper hiding the ball in the pad and pretending to call a fielder to stop and run the batsmen out when the batsmen go for a run. :woot:
zaheer Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 What about spinners Pausing just before delivering the ball..
jusarrived Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 What about spinners Pausing just before delivering the ball.. exactly & I dont see how this is different .
zaheer Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 exactly & I dont see how this is different . For fast bowlers its quite tough to pause in their run up and have a go again
Zelig Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Batsmen play the reverse sweeps, switch hits et al :beee: But personally, I don't agree with his dummy
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