Chappell has played a part in India's success, feels Bayliss

[Lord]

But to be fair to Guru Greg, the circumstances under which Kirsten became coach were far more conducive than what was present when Greggie took over. Gary took over right about the time the team was transitioning from the old guard (Ganguly, Kumble, Dravid) to the new leadership coterie within the Indian team (MSD, Sach, Bhajji, Zak). That meant Gary could sell his plans and strategies to the team much easier, without having to constantly watch his back. Plus, you can never discount the impact of a made-to-order captain. Dhoni is everything you want a captain to be and more. Under him, with this team, we would have probably accomplished most the things that we did, even without Gary.

do u think Dhoni with Greg would've delivered the same results as with Gary?

[vvvslaxman]

Neither SL nor Bangladesh were better team than India in 2007 world cup. Infact just before world cup India had thrashed SL.

[ganeshran]

Greg certainly has to be given credit for sending the team in the right direction, even though he made a mess of quite a few things. He also made a mess of Sachin's batting position and even questioned his attitude and commitment :WTF:

[Ram]

do u think Dhoni with Greg would've delivered the same results as with Gary?

I cannot say, I am not a clairvoyant. But I will say this – it would have been a lot easier for Guru Greg with Dhoni, than it was for him with Ganguly first and then Dravid later.

[DomainK]

But to be fair to Guru Greg, the circumstances under which Kirsten became coach were far more conducive than what was present when Greggie took over. Gary took over right about the time the team was transitioning from the old guard (Ganguly, Kumble, Dravid) to the new leadership coterie within the Indian team (MSD, Sach, Bhajji, Zak). That meant Gary could sell his plans and strategies to the team much easier, without having to constantly watch his back. Plus, you can never discount the impact of a made-to-order captain. Dhoni is everything you want a captain to be and more. Under him, with this team, we would have probably accomplished most the things that we did, even without Gary.

Greg was an idiot. His intentions and his execution both were ill.

[Lord]

I cannot say' date=' I am not a clairvoyant. But I will say this – it would have been a lot easier for Guru Greg with Dhoni, than it was for him with Ganguly first and then Dravid later.[/quote'] easier what?questioning Sachin's commitment?changing his batting order in WC even though he wasnt comfortable?breaking the confidence of the team? Chappell's intent maybe right as u said,but didnt know how to about it.he wanted to rule the team n for captain be a rubber stamp.got the BCCI backing n got Dada out of the Test side.Dravid couldnt have done anythingI really feel Dravid would've been a better captain if not for Greg.found him tactically good.now would Dhoni have been allowed to captain the way he does if Greg was there?no. Dhoni got that first with Rajput n then with Gary.he was the main in control not the coach as it should be.no wonder Dravid won the tough tour of England once Greg went

[achilles]

I am sorry but he didnt find anyone. IIRC it was Srikanth who "found" dhoni and raina for the A tour and after Dhoni's enormous success in Africa, he powered his way to the Indian team. If you go back to the old ICF, there were many people who were already rooting for Dhoni before he even made his debut. If it was upto Chappel, we would be without all our seniors who cannot run/field well and not flexible in the batting order. That would have included Sachin, Sehwag, Zaheer, Munaf and Yuvraj, basically most of our best performing players in this WC.

Hmm. Its a matter of looking through a prism. Everyone sees the result differently. The way I see it, the hate for Greg was so overwhelming that once he was gone, everyone wanted to prove a point. So that can be, "Greg, the motivator". Another school of thought goes that Greg destroyed a few of our players. That can be, "Greg, the destroyer". I liked the "performance is my way of coaching" method. He expected everyone to be at A+ and tolerated no slack performances or nonsense. In short, he is the kind of guy we can't have as a coach, for we work differently. And look, the guy had some serious guts. He didn't even spare the guy who got him the job for the simple reason that he wasn't performing. We as Indians don't enjoy someone telling us that we are wrong and we need to up our game. It becomes an ego-issue. And I think the high-performance, ruthless approach took Australia to the highest levels of supremacy. We simply have a different way of getting there. We owe Greg something here. It was the overwhelming amount of hate for him that propelled some of our struggling-at-the-point players to world beaters once again. So, hate can be a motivator.

Dhoni was already doing very well in domestic matches. So we couldn't keep him away. Raina was already a force in India under-19 world cup. Sreesanth.. he got shot into limelight through challenger trophy when he dismissed Sachin Tendulkar much like Chawla who also got the attention when he dismissed Sachin.

Badrinath has been scoring heavily in the domestic circuit and Sreesanth played for India more than Badri. The difference - "opportunity". Greg was not averse to playing the youngsters and instilling a solid sense of self-belief in them, much like Dada did with our present bunch of top-performers- 1. Yuvraj 2. Bhajji 3. Nehra

[Cricket Tragic]

Terrible man management. You don't go around leaking things to the media. Rajan Bala wrote an article where he took Yuvraj apart. Guru Greg sent him a text congratulating him and then told everyone about it. Pathetic. If you have a problem with a player, talk to him directly and sort it out. Sending messages to a player through the media is not on.

[straight.drive]

I would say Guru Greg failed in Political Management of Indian Team. Managing the team that is packed with some all-time greats is definitely a difficult task, and would be vastly different from the no-nonsense hard nosed aussie way.

[achilles]

I guess he was quite appalled with what he saw in the Indian dressing room and the politics is the worst in any dressing room from all cricket-playing nations, I guess. Everyone generally gets shocked when they see the ugly side of Indian cricket. And this guy saw that and maybe thought the stern way was the best way of dealing with the problem.

[Ram]

easier what?questioning Sachin's commitment?changing his batting order in WC even though he wasnt comfortable?breaking the confidence of the team? Chappell's intent maybe right as u said,but didnt know how to about it.he wanted to rule the team n for captain be a rubber stamp.got the BCCI backing n got Dada out of the Test side.Dravid couldnt have done anythingI really feel Dravid would've been a better captain if not for Greg.found him tactically good.now would Dhoni have been allowed to captain the way he does if Greg was there?no. Dhoni got that first with Rajput n then with Gary.he was the main in control not the coach as it should be.no wonder Dravid won the tough tour of England once Greg went

First of all, I think its totally unfair and inaccurate to say that Chappell wanted ‘to rule the team..’. I don’t think such a thing is even probable, let alone possible. He had a vision for the team, a one that differed from what the rest of the seniors believed in. His cardinal mistake was that, towards the end of his tenure, he had pretty much lost hope in the ability of the seniors to be match-winners. Hence his focus on transitioning the leadership role to the younger players within the team. Plus, its laughable to even imply that Lalchand Rajput’s ‘non-intereference’ was what helped Dravid and Dhoni to script the victories that they did, during his tenure.

[Raghav_12]

Not only India, Greg Chappell as failed elsewhere else in any roles other than being a player. IIRC before coming to India he had failed in role of Coach of South Australia. And recently he had become selector of Australian cricket team and do I need to mention that how Australian team is doing lately? Had Greg Chappell had this clear sense of judgement or discretion, he wouldn't have asked his younger brother to bowl an underarm ball. His this lack of discretion is source of his widespread failures in different roles.

[Prakat]

Not only India, Greg Chappell as failed elsewhere else in any roles other than being a player. IIRC before coming to India he had failed in role of Coach of South Australia. And recently he had become selector of Australian cricket team and do I need to mention that Australian team is doing lately? Had Greg Chappell had this clear sense of judgement or discretion, he wouldn't have asked his younger brother to bowl an underarm ball. His this lack of discretion is source of his widespread failures in different roles.

Greggie and Sanga would make a fine pair.

[maaki]

Greg=garbage.. We tend to hire foreign coaches who have little or no exp over experienced indian coaches... Greg is a classic example of why that failed. How does Greg deserve credit for team selection, yes the only point i give him is he got rid of Ganguly, whose time had long expired. It is about time Amarnath or Patil are brought in as coaches

[yoda]

Yes he played a part in giving everyone a once in a lifetime humiliation, motivating the players to never put themselves in such a situation again.

[Tigerbait]

If by playing a role he means pissing off the players and succesfully uniting the team against him then yes, Chappel did an outstanding job for India.

[cricketlover]

Hasnt Kirsten done the same thing ie get rid of old wood such as Ganguly, Laxman, Drravid etc.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Hmm. Its a matter of looking through a prism. Everyone sees the result differently. The way I see it, the hate for Greg was so overwhelming that once he was gone, everyone wanted to prove a point. So that can be, "Greg, the motivator". Another school of thought goes that Greg destroyed a few of our players. That can be, "Greg, the destroyer". I liked the "performance is my way of coaching" method. He expected everyone to be at A+ and tolerated no slack performances or nonsense. In short, he is the kind of guy we can't have as a coach, for we work differently. And look, the guy had some serious guts. He didn't even spare the guy who got him the job for the simple reason that he wasn't performing. We as Indians don't enjoy someone telling us that we are wrong and we need to up our game. It becomes an ego-issue. And I think the high-performance, ruthless approach took Australia to the highest levels of supremacy. We simply have a different way of getting there. We owe Greg something here. It was the overwhelming amount of hate for him that propelled some of our struggling-at-the-point players to world beaters once again. So, hate can be a motivator.

It's easy to want every player to practice hard,work their ass off in fitness etc and basically always be the best that they can be. It's easier said than done. Ask Sachin the captain, who expected everyone to play like him. In a game of skill, there is always a leeway when it comes to fitness. Its not about asking players to work better, its should be about making them work better for themselves. Besides, too many changes in very little time hardly works well on the cricket field. Even Aus cannot handle that. Chapel demanded results. He wasn't willing to work for it.

[maniac]

Greg Chappel's contribution is definetely underrated....His fallout with the senors rubs a lot of fans the wrong way but he had a good eye for talent...Dhoni,Raina,Sreeshanth,RP Singh,Dinesh Karthick,Uthappa,Gambhir,Venu Gopal Rao all were given ample chances to shine under him.Before people start hatng me on couple of those names mentioned well...atleast he tried to infuse new blood. I don't get why people have the hate for him....is it wrong if he said that focus should be on fitness and all those fielding drills?l I think Chappell had the right intentions but his execution was wrong.Irfan Pathan's decline was his own doing,if he was atleast half a bowler he was...his improved batting would have given us an awesome advantage.we shouldn't blame Chappell for this.Also we need to remember that this was the time when lot of fans were asking for Tendulkar to retire bcoz of him going through a bad phase,what has Chappell got to do with it? I am a big fan of the famous five....After Chappell,we phased out Laxman,Ganguly,Kumble and Dravid from ODI's anyways,so why are we blaming Greg Chappell for this?

[DomainK]

easier what?questioning Sachin's commitment?changing his batting order in WC even though he wasnt comfortable?breaking the confidence of the team? Chappell's intent maybe right as u said,but didnt know how to about it.he wanted to rule the team n for captain be a rubber stamp.got the BCCI backing n got Dada out of the Test side.Dravid couldnt have done anythingI really feel Dravid would've been a better captain if not for Greg.found him tactically good.now would Dhoni have been allowed to captain the way he does if Greg was there?no. Dhoni got that first with Rajput n then with Gary.he was the main in control not the coach as it should be.no wonder Dravid won the tough tour of England once Greg went

That's why his intent was questionable. His own supremacy was his first priority and for that he did not hesitate to play dirty games and played with the team's confidence. The man was a destroyer and nothing else.