mishra Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 @ananthd In ODI: Your personal choices over Sachin is Viv (not because of stats) but because its your choice In Tests: Your personal choices over Sachin is DGB ( because of average runs scored per inning stats) Your personall choice is Ricky Ponting as closest batsman to Viv. We are not discussing here to change anyones personal Choice. BTW as for OP. Look at my signature. You can google it too. We think Sachin is god assuming that God may or may not exist. But to me it looks like DGB as number 2 thought or DGB not good enough thought is more sacrilegious among certain section of cricketing world and fans. Cant ask Bradman to beat Tendulakr with bat hence take down Tendulkars achievement. PS: If it wasnt to internet we would have never questioned Bradman or anyone else who were in the list and believed in personal choices of that "certain section of cricketing world and fans. " Link to comment
ahilya Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Sachin can't be compared with mortals.Period.Its great sin to compare god to mortals. Link to comment
ananthd Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 @ananthd In ODI: Your personal choices over Sachin is Viv (not because of stats) but because its your choice In Tests: Your personal choices over Sachin is DGB ( because of average runs scored per inning stats) Your personall choice is Ricky Ponting as closest batsman to Viv. We are not discussing here to change anyones personal Choice. BTW as for OP. Look at my signature. You can google it too. We think Sachin is god assuming that God may or may not exist. But to me it looks like DGB as number 2 thought or DGB not good enough thought is more sacrilegious among certain section of cricketing world and fans. Cant ask Bradman to beat Tendulakr with bat hence take down Tendulkars achievement. PS: If it wasnt to internet we would have never questioned Bradman or anyone else who were in the list and believed in personal choices of that "certain section of cricketing world and fans. " Who said my personal choice is DGB for the Test team? I'll consider Sunil Gavaskar the first in any Test X1 and that's not just because he was an opener. Again this is a personal judgement, not entirely objective. I'm not taking down anybody. Sachin's one of the greatest. By sheer numbers he is probably. But I loathe comparisons across eras and it's unfair to all the players involved. Link to comment
suraj Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Sachin can't be compared with mortals.Period.Its great sin to compare god to mortals. This! Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 WTF why 20 pages for a simple answer..SRT >VIV simply because of the pressure he took ( and still is) for the past ahem..20 GOD damn years...give me a break.If Richards was that great he would have been playing..he played exceptional in his time and retired gracefully while GODDY is busy churning out 90's and 100's and 200's even today. end of argument..no more stats no BS. Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 and his wiki page takes a long time to load than viv even on a 1 MB connection...:--D Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Sachin................. Link to comment
MCcricket Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Both are all time greats, Richards did not care about numbers, stats, much ,he marched to his own drum, he could have had broken more records easily, Sachine embodies everything from talent, dedication , drive,he is tied down by expectations and rarely u seem him play taking risks.I would given a choice of watching Richards or Sachin , maybe watch Richards , he was a bit unpredictable and regardless of the game would try dominate, not wear a helmet, I have seen him hit a perfect yorker for a six.If I would want someone to bat for me to save a test it would be Lara neither Richards or Sachin, if I have to choose the most dependable batsmen then it would be Sachin. Link to comment
Deleted_User_1 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lurker and Bossbhai, why don't you let go the tirades and **** each other's as*! :finger: Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Both are all time greats' date=' Richards did not care about numbers, stats, much ,he marched to his own drum, he could have had broken more records easily, Sachine embodies everything from talent, dedication , drive,he is tied down by expectations and rarely u seem him play taking risks.I would given a choice of watching Richards or Sachin , maybe watch Richards , he was a bit unpredictable and regardless of the game would try dominate, not wear a helmet, I have seen him hit a perfect yorker for a six.[b']If I would want someone to bat for me to save a test it would be Lara neither Richards or Sachin, if I have to choose the most dependable batsmen then it would be Sachin. :WTF: U would want Lara to bat if u want to save a test? He would be last of the great batsmen i can think of to bat to save a test match. Link to comment
MCcricket Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara has won , saved more test matches single handedly compared to Tendulkar, he had the appetite to play bigger innings , tendulkar doesn't have a triple ton , same logic for me Sehwag is a match winner who can single handedly win test matches then any one in our team, strike rate, appetite for huge scores.Tendulkar flourished as a test bat in last 3 years, saving a few and winning a few matches, I would choose Dravid before Tendulkar in a test match anywhere in the world, also care to look at fourth inning averages. Link to comment
vamos_rafa Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara has won ' date=' saved more test matches single handedly compared to Tendulkar, he had the appetite to play bigger innings , tendulkar doesn't have a triple ton , same logic for me Sehwag is a match winner who can single handedly win test matches then any one in our team, strike rate, appetite for huge scores.Tendulkar flourished as a test bat in last 3 years, saving a few and winning a few matches, I would choose Dravid before Tendulkar in a test match anywhere in the world, also care to look at fourth inning averages.[/quote'] Same old logic. Link to comment
Number Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 4th innings average Tendulkar- 40 Lara - 35 Viv - 48 Sehwag - 30 Link to comment
vamos_rafa Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 4th innings average Tendulkar- 40 Lara - 35 Viv - 48 Sehwag - 30 Steve Waugh-25.94!! Though I would also like to add that Sachin's 4th inning has been bolstered by his recent performances. There was a time when it was hovering around 25. But he has more 100's and 50's and more not-outs than Lara. Don't know what's the fascination that people have with Lara. Link to comment
carnish Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara had more patience than sachin... he has layed some really long innings and without giving any chances in dat too... anyweys he is way behind sachin so no point of comparisions Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara has won ' date=' saved more test matches single handedly compared to Tendulkar, he had the appetite to play bigger innings tendulkar doesn't have a triple ton , same logic for me Sehwag is a match winner who can single handedly win test matches then any one in our team, strike rate, appetite for huge scores.Tendulkar flourished as a test bat in last 3 years, saving a few and winning a few matches, I would choose Dravid before Tendulkar in a test match anywhere in the world, also care to look at fourth inning averages.[/quote'] So triple ton is how u defines a match winning batsmen ? So Jayasurya is a bigger match winner than Kallis Ponting Dravid and Steve waugh? :banghead: And by ur logic Dravid unlike Jayasurya and Sehwag in tests didnt have the appetite to play bigger innings then considering he didnt have a triple century either? How many macthes Sehwag and Jayasurya won away from home with their match winning ability and so called appetite to bat longer compared with Dravid Ponting and Sachin ? Triple centuries are often scored in flat wickets were the matches usually end in draw or the opposition has poor attack.Scoring triple hundreds arent how u judge match winning players. Lara's greatness is often decided by the 153 he scored in the 2nd inns against Aus not by the 400 he scored in a meaningless draw. I am not about who is better btw Lara and Sachin but ur logic of defining match winners by scoring triple century is just ridiculous. Link to comment
vamos_rafa Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 ]Lara had more patience than sachin... he has layed some really long innings and without giving any chances in dat too... anyweys he is way behind sachin so no point of comparisions Lara might have scored a few bug 100's but when it came to grinding an innings out, Lara generally faltered. He would generally look to hit out of a situation. while somebody like a Sachin or a Dravid would guts it out.So, the way you are measuring the patience of a batsman is not right IMO. Link to comment
ganeshran Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara has won ' date= saved more test matches single handedly compared to Tendulkar, he had the appetite to play bigger innings , tendulkar doesn't have a triple ton , same logic for me Sehwag is a match winner who can single handedly win test matches then any one in our team, strike rate, appetite for huge scores.Tendulkar flourished as a test bat in last 3 years, saving a few and winning a few matches, I would choose Dravid before Tendulkar in a test match anywhere in the world, also care to look at fourth inning averages. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lara has won ' date=' saved more test matches single handedly compared to Tendulkar[/size'], he had the appetite to play bigger innings , tendulkar doesn't have a triple ton , same logic for me Sehwag is a match winner who can single handedly win test matches then any one in our team, strike rate, appetite for huge scores.Tendulkar flourished as a test bat in last 3 years, saving a few and winning a few matches, I would choose Dravid before Tendulkar in a test match anywhere in the world, also care to look at fourth inning averages. Lara played 131 matches and was part of winning team in 31 matches. In those matches he scored 8 centuries. Compare this to Tendulkar's 20 centuries in 62 wins. His hundreds include these innings 213 468 2 v Australia Kingston 13-Mar-99 Test # 1451 191 271 1 v Zimbabwe Bulawayo 12-Nov-03 Test # 1669 167 256 2 v England Georgetown 17-Mar-94 Test # 1254 153* 355 4 v Australia Bridgetown 26-Mar-99 Test # 1453 147 247 1 v New Zealand Wellington 10-Feb-95 Test # 1289 132 223 2 v Australia Perth 1-Feb-97 Test # 1353 130 166 1 v Pakistan Bridgetown 26-May-05 Test # 1752 120 169 2 v Bangladesh Kingston 4-Jun-04 Test # 1703 His innings of 213 and 153 can be considered as those matches won single handedly (although in Test # 1451, bowlers dismissed Australia for low scores and WI won by 10 wickets). Where are those so called many matches which he won on his own? His effort in 4th innings in saved matches Runs BF Pos Inns Opposition Ground Start Date 0 12 4 4 v Australia Brisbane 27-Nov-92 3 17 3 4 v India Nagpur 1-Dec-94 43 77 3 4 v Australia St John's 8-Apr-95 20 30 1 4 v England Nottingham 10-Aug-95 13* 59 3 4 v England Bridgetown 12-Mar-98 8 59 4 4 v South Africa Bridgetown 29-Mar-01 1 7 4 4 v Zimbabwe Harare 4-Nov-03 86 138 4 4 v South Africa Cape Town 2-Jan-04 0 7 4 4 v India St John's 2-Jun-06 and in 3rd inning 5 17 caught 3 v Pakistan Lahore 6-Dec-90 19 26 lbw 3 v Pakistan St John's 1-May-93 74 119 caught 3 v New Zealand St John's 27-Apr-96 78 83 caught 3 v India Kingston 6-Mar-97 19 57 caught 3 v India Port of Spain 14-Mar-97 115 207 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Kingstown 20-Jun-97 112 158 r.o. 3 v England Manchester 3-Aug-00 45 82 caught 3 v South Africa Georgetown 9-Mar-01 120 307 lbw 3 v India Gros Islet 10-Jun-06 Which match did he save on his own? Maybe 112 against England, but where are those many other matches? Link to comment
ganeshran Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 ICF Statsguru Vibhash :nice: Link to comment
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