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Yoda-esque Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 It is simple.Congress opposed Anna and Lokpal and came out looking like villains. Do not think it has anything to do with the maturity of democracy.
Sachin=GOD Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 It is simple.Congress opposed Anna and Lokpal and came out looking like villains. Do not think it has anything to do with the maturity of democracy. but in states like Punjab corruption wasn't an issue because there was lots of corruption in the Akali Govt and the Badals are very corrupt but they have been voted back with a good majority. Also, as far as I've noticed in UP Anna was not an issue at all in any constituency.
Lurker Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Fake politician. The only people in the country who seem to be enamored with him are the Congress workers. The sooner the Congress realizes that Rahul Gandhi doesn't have it him to lead this country, the better it will be for the party. For the past 8 years whenever this guy has campaigned extensively in a particular state, the party has lost very badly - be it the last Bihar elections or UP election in 2007 or 2012 or Madhya Pradesh last time. RG is not gonna win in UP/Bihar. No Congress leaders will. But BJP was pretty strong in both the states. Weird to see them lose footing in one of their key states like this.
Zelch Posted March 6, 2012 Author Posted March 6, 2012 NDTV might be in a state of mourning ? Burqa "the broker" Dutt is almost crying.
asterix Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 RG is not gonna win in UP/Bihar. No Congress leaders will. But BJP was pretty strong in both the states. Weird to see them lose footing in one of their key states like this. Because of the Cadre/party based approach their election campaigns. BJP's the only party which doesn't has dynestic leaders and usually fail to project a main leader who could become a CM in these 2 states..The people of these 2 states clearly favour those parties which has strong regional leader to become the CM.. Because of the democratic nature of it's party leadership, BJP will suffer against regional parties and congress who have strong dynestic top leadership, in the long run...
Lurker Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Because of the Cadre/party based approach their election campaigns. BJP's the only party which doesn't has dynestic leaders and usually fail to project a main leader who could become a CM in these 2 states..The people of these 2 states clearly favour those parties which has strong regional leader to become the CM.. Because of the democratic nature of it's party leadership, BJP will suffer against regional parties and congress who have strong dynestic top leadership, in the long run... Well that is partially true. What is equally true is they simply do not have enough good leaders from these states, so why would anybody support them? In Bihar, for example, they missed a huge chance in 90s by promoting Shatrughan Sinha. Instead they kept on supporting an absolutely charisma-less Sushil Kumar Modi, partially due to his caste background, partially due to the whole cadre nonsense. Ab marao shaan se. Been 20 years and at best they are going to be 2nd in command to Nitish Kumar who appears hard to beat this time too.
asterix Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Well that is partially true. What is equally true is they simply do not have enough good leaders from these states, so why would anybody support them? In Bihar, for example, they missed a huge chance in 90s by promoting Shatrughan Sinha. Instead they kept on supporting an absolutely charisma-less Sushil Kumar Modi, partially due to his caste background, partially due to the whole cadre nonsense. Ab marao shaan se. Been 20 years and at best they are going to be 2nd in command to Nitish Kumar who appears hard to beat this time too. Actually I'm not averse to BJP playing second fiddle in many states if the other party leaders are performing and doing good for the people. BJP will never have the REACH like Congress, as a national party, because Congress has the benefit of it's long history and strong foundations. So IMO BJP will have to always take more help from regional parties to rule at the centre..There lies the problem..In Indian politics, it doesn't harms any regional party to ditch BJP and any point of time and if the need arises.. So an NDA will be more prone to shaky coalition as compared to UPA..
Desi Cartman Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 congress has failed as they were too aggressive, not only were they pointing out what was wrong with other parties they were blaming poor voters for the situation. They kept saying " yeh sab tumhari wajah se hua hai". I heard Priyanka's speech and I think she causes more harm to congress. She is stupid and is out there just to say "vote for rahul jeee aur dekh lia congress ko vote na de kar" Congress also shot itself in the foot by mentioning more quota for Muslims, this made Hindus vote for BJP else congress could have gained some hindu votes. Overall its a massive fail for Rahul jee BJP is hopeless, there is so much infighting that they had to get someone from MP to come n run the campaign for them in UP.
Lurker Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Actually I'm not avrse to BJP playing second fiddle in many states if the other party leaders are performing and doing good for the people. BJP will never have the REACH like Congress, as a national party, because Congress has the benefit of it's long history and strong foundations. So IMO BJP will have to always take more help from regional parties to rule at the centre..There lies the problem..In Indian politics, it doesn't harms any regional party to ditch BJP and any point of time and if the need arises.. So an NDA will be more prone to shaky coalition as compared to UPA.. Well if BJP is going to play second fiddle, or as these days it seems 3rd-4th fiddle, in states like UP/Bihar they can kiss goodbye their dreams of coming in power. Coalition sucks, we can all agree to that. But to be the ruler of the coalition you have to be strong enough where your chota mota leaders like Ajit Singh dont keep rubbing your nose in the ground. Winning the usual states, read Gujarat, and losing Bihar/UP will ensure BJP is where it has always been. Worse, they can even become marginalised.
Tiger80 Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 The way Congress leaders were defending Rahul was really hilarious ,They were saying that " koyi bahar kaa Aadmi ne aakar madad ki hai to us par haar kaa ilzaam kaise laga sakte hain as if Uttar pradesh is foriegn country :cantstop:
asterix Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Well if BJP is going to play second fiddle, or as these days it seems 3rd-4th fiddle, in states like UP/Bihar they can kiss goodbye their dreams of coming in power. Coalition sucks, we can all agree to that. But to be the ruler of the coalition you have to be strong enough where your chota mota leaders like Ajit Singh dont keep rubbing your nose in the ground. Winning the usual states, read Gujarat, and losing Bihar/UP will ensure BJP is where it has always been. Worse, they can even become marginalised. Well unfortunately, that's exactly the situation.. Hence I don't have much hope from BJP.. So Congress has a good future and may long continue the autocratic rule, because of "TINA" factor..
Sachin=GOD Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 RG is not gonna win in UP/Bihar. No Congress leaders will. But BJP was pretty strong in both the states. Weird to see them lose footing in one of their key states like this. BJP was strong in UP for a short period from 1991 to around 2001. Thats it. It was non existent in UP before 1991 and has been on constant decline since 2002. In Bihar it has become strong only in the last 6-7 years (basically since it has formed a Govt there).
Sachin=GOD Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Out of touch, out of mind For all our sniggering at the Congress and Rahul Gandhi - who now accepts the blame squarely - for their grand failure in Uttar Pradesh, a failure now being placed by Congressmen at the doors of the party's organisation in the state, I have reason to believe that Congress leaders might just be right - without quite knowing what exactly might be wrong. When the Congress snatched defeat from the jaws of victory during the municipal elections in Mumbai last month, I had said that its leaders were clueless. They had no campaigners and no organisation worth the name. They had hoped to sail through simply on the basis of the failures of the incumbent party, the Shiv Sena, and the Nehru-Gandhi name, resting on their laurels without anything new or positive of their own to offer the electorate. I can clearly see that the same has now happened in UP as well as in Punjab to a large extent. Moreover, identically, as obvious in Punjab again and, to a lesser extent, in Uttarakhand, local corruption has been seen as a far less evil than the big ticket corruption at the Centre. (The exception being in Goa where the issue of local corruption of the ruling Congress overwhelmed all else.) The Congress has had to pay the price with this series of defeats that includes the one in Mumbai last month, even though the anti-incumbency faced by opponents should have brought them clear victories. Sharad Pawar had told me several years ago that Congressmen never believe in working for their own victory. They just rely on the Nehru-Gandhi charisma and sit back, hoping to reap the fruits of either other people's labours or their rivals' failures. Now Avinash Pande, a Rajya Sabha MP from Maharashtra, who is the All India Congress Committee (AICC) secretary in charge of Uttar Pradesh, tells me the same. "There is no doubt that Rahul Gandhi's unparalleled and untiring efforts in UP have got us the number of seats we now have in the assembly. Otherwise we might have been down to half." He rues the fact that no candidate worked the peculiarities of his own constituency towards a victory and that Gandhi did not get the backing of grassroots workers - because, perhaps, there weren't any. And that's what seems fantastic about the UP story. For as Pande, who was deputy to AICC general secretary Digivijaya Singh in UP, tells me, in the four months that he did not set a foot out of UP, he discovered not just the lack of a party organisation but 'nakli Congressis' throughout the length and breadth of the state. Apparently, even as genuine Congress leaders don't bother with the party organisation any more, wherever some semblance of a Congressman exists, the set-up has been captured by closet sympathisers of the SP or the BSP. "They take money from us, pretend to work for the Congress but divert our votes [which are similar] to the SP or the BSP at the eleventh hour. All our assessments, predictably, go wrong. Unless we weed them out and build up the organisation with genuine believers in the Congress, we are bound to be disappointed.'' While that might sound like a unique excuse from a committed Congressman, I have seen it happen before in Maharashtra vis-à-vis Pawar who, even before he had split the Congress, was wont to infiltrate every party in his home state and place a handful of core supporters within each organisation, including the Shiv Sena. This helped in countering strategies with insider information and even helped swing marginal seats by the diversion of votes. So while these poachers and faux-sympathisers may well be the reason why the Congress failed to convert the huge crowds at Rahul Gandhi's rallies into votes and eventually seats, I am surprised that an old warhorse like Digvijaya Singh was so out of touch with reality. So out of touch that, only a month ago, he even wagered a crate of premium whiskey with some journalists in Mumbai on counting day, sure that his party would get at least a 100 seats if not more. And, if what Pande says is true, cleaning up the party organisation in UP alone might not be enough. When both the Congress and Pawar were expecting to decimate the Shiv Sena, Pawar had said that "the next battle will be between the Congress and the Nationalist Congress Party'' because they have similar vote banks. But I can see that situation has already come to pass in UP: the fundamentals of the Congress that Rahul talked about are clearly the same as that of the SP. And that crate of whiskey might be a long time coming! Hindustan Times
Sachin=GOD Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Rahul Gandhi is Jaddu of Indian Politics. :giggle: Jaddu ki insult mat karo
Prakat Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 "They take money from us, pretend to work for the Congress but divert our votes [which are similar] to the SP or the BSP at the eleventh hour. All our assessments, predictably, go wrong. Unless we weed them out and build up the organisation with genuine believers in the Congress, we are bound to be disappointed.'' :hysterical:
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