The Narendra Modi thread

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Back at ICF after some time, And it seems like the standard of ICF has gone worse, silly posts from some very obvious users. Will try to add some balance to this debate.

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Looks like somebody is missing Outy

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[asterix]

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-wouldnt-want-to-live-in-India-if-Modi-becomes-PM-author-Ananthamurthy-says/articleshow/22763087.cms URA says he will leave the country if NaMo becomes PM. BJP says please do. I have lost whatever little respect I had on this writer. A lot of funny comments suggesting him where to go.

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[Macj]

Hmm so the prostration to the Italian Sonia Maata is replaced by Modi. Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2

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[Khalpat]

Just read in today's TOI, Gujarat is this year also number one in Agricultural Growth with 19.5 % growth.

[randomGuy]

Just read in today's TOI' date=' Gujarat is this year also number one in Agricultural Growth with 19.5 % growth.[/quote'] Such rate of growth in Agricultural is Unbelievable, incredible.:hatsoff: And this after growing 10%+ yearly in agri. for the last decade.

[randomGuy]

Just read in today's TOI' date=' Gujarat is this year also number one in Agricultural Growth with 19.5 % growth.[/quote'] Here's the article: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Gujarat-ahead-but-Rajasthan-surprise-second-in-agri-production/articleshow/22831865.cms Well done also to Rajasthan.

[The Outsider]

I am reading "The NaMo Story" by Kingshuk Nag over the last couple of days. A very well written and surprisingly neutral account of Modi's life and politics. The chapter on 2002 is quite damning and won't go down well with Modi fanboyzz, neither will the way he was secluded in the BJP during the 90s and how he managed to come back from it go down with the haterzzz.

[someone]

Sanjeev Bhatt forged evidence to malign Gujarat govt: SIT

“Sanjeev Bhatt has claimed that he had alerted Chief Minister’s office of impending riots…through fax messeges, but during our investigation it was found that many of those messages were forged,” said advocate R S Jamuar, arguing before Metropolitan Magistrate B J Ganatra here. Jamuar, contending that Bhatt was not a reliable witness, submitted some e-mail correspondence between Bhatt and Rahul Sharma, another IPS officer. In one of these, Bhatt sought information from Sharma on the location of former Minister of State for Home Haren Pandya on the evening of February 27, 2002. “Bhatt, who has alleged that Modi instructed the police officials not to take any action against rioters, claims that Pandya attended that meeting (at Modi’s official residence) and he (Bhatt) was also present. If he was present in that meeting, then how come he was seeking information of Pandya’s location at that time,” Jamuar said.

Thankfully with time, more facts are coming out. But then for haters, they are blind and will deny everything and actually will go great heights of hypocrisy for that. For starters, any Hindu victims being completely disregarded. Or even the Nellie riots which according to Mr. Outy is very much acceptable.

[saneindian]

Nag's book is a decent read. Would also recommend Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay's book on Modi as well. IMO all such literature on Modi was aimed at stalling him from being named BJP's PM candidate. Couldn't quite work.

[someone]

Narendra Modi's rise may be BJP's strongest message

In Narendra Modi, every BJP worker sees what he might have been or what he can become, says Amberish K Diwanji A couple of years ago, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi visited Mumbai to attend an event of the Bharatiya Janata Party. At the event, BJP leaders trooped in, one by one, to receive a perfunctory welcome. And then, an electric current ran through the crowd. Narendra Modi had arrived. The excitement was palpable. For the rank and file of the party, it was as if all their efforts had been made worthwhile only because Modi had arrived. Various slogans rent the air, the loudest being "Desh ka pradhan mantri kaisa ho?" and the ear-splitting roar "Narendra Modi jaisa ho!" ("Who should the country's PM be like?", "He should be like Narendra Modi!") What was even more interesting to watch -- while all these theatrics went on -- was the priceless look on the faces of all the other “leaders” of the BJP. None of them joined in the shouting, cheering or even clapping. They tried to look impassive, as though saying, “All this shouting and yelling is fine, but don’t let it fool you into thinking that he will be 'our' choice for PM”. They could see what was happening, they could hear the crowd’s clear choice, but they were wishing that it would disappear, or that all of it simply wouldn’t matter. Instead of sharing the excitement, they seemed to resent Modi’s obvious popularity among BJP workers. It was an indication that Modi’s greatest opponents were not in the Congress but within the saffron party. As some commentators have noted, in anointing Modi, the BJP and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh -- within which there remain sufficient reservations about the Gujarat chief minister -- have given in to the demand of the cadres. The role that the lowly party worker plays can never be understated. They are the ones who toil in the party offices, organise massive rallies, gather people for those rallies, make sure the media (a spoilt lot that never hesitates to complain) is kept happy, and smoothen the arrangements for the party bosses. The workers often devote years to their party’s causes and their only reward is seeing it come to power. Because then they can claim the vicarious pleasure of having helped the party achieve power and they can lord over their mohallas and locality as a member of the party in power. These may seem like petty rewards for years of toil. But for the thousands of workers across the hundreds of offices in the country, these are worth every moment of their effort. Over the last few years, BJP workers have been rallying around Modi, simply because they know that if there is one person who can pull off a BJP victory, it is Modi. Let’s face it: if a sulking Advani, pouting Swaraj, hedging Rajnath Singh cannot inspire even BJP workers, how on earth will they inspire the people who are going to vote? In Modi, party workers see one of their own. A man who started life as a RSS member, doing routine chores, and rising to the top simply by dint of hard work and his undeniably brilliant organisational talents. In Modi, every worker sees what he might have been or what he can become. What mattered was his ability, not his pedigree. This is in stark contrast to the top leaders chosen in the Congress party, where the foremost criterion today is your pedigree and second is loyalty to The Family. If your father or mother or uncle or aunt etc was in the Congress, rest assured you will be noticed; you may even become a member of Parliament or member of legislative assembly. But if you are only brilliant and hardworking, the party will use those talents but rarely reward you appropriately. How many low-rung party workers have actually become ministers in the Congress? Hard to find any, with the singular exceptions of stenographers/private assistants to top Congress leaders, who, being privy to the most sensitive information, have been rewarded with plum posts (it ensures their continued loyalty and silence). In a country of a billion aspirations, this might well be the BJP’s strongest message. That as a party, it believes in giving every Indian the chance to realise his/her potential, and not depend on family connections. If the BJP top brass is not playing out this message, it is because those at the top have become complacent. Sending out a message that every worker has the potential to rise to the top means putting their own positions at risk. No wonder then that so many of the BJP’s top brass strongly resented Modi’s rise. Irrespective of whether Modi finally becomes the prime minister, things within the BJP will never be the same. And that in itself is a good thing. India might finally get an opposition that it deserves.

[The Outsider]

Nag's book is a decent read. Would also recommend Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay's book on Modi as well. IMO all such literature on Modi was aimed at stalling him from being named BJP's PM candidate. Couldn't quite work.

I haven't read Mukhopadhyay's book, but am in Chapter 7 of Nag's book - about 2/3 - and haven't found any argument which would lend credence to your hypothesis of stopping him from becoming PM argument. In fact, he has praised him at many places where a Modi hater like me would never do it. But I respect his journalistic integrity, and am willing to correct myself on those issues. The main problem with the book, or any published about such a personality in this atmosphere, is that most of his quotes are from unnamed sources, which means that you need to have an inherent trust in the author. I do, but I can easily see people from either side of the spectrum call it all fabrication.

[saneindian]

I haven't read Mukhopadhyay's book, but am in Chapter 7 of Nag's book - about 2/3 - and haven't found any argument which would lend credence to your hypothesis of stopping him from becoming PM argument. In fact, he has praised him at many places where a Modi hater like me would never do it. But I respect his journalistic integrity, and am willing to correct myself on those issues. The main problem with the book, or any published about such a personality in this atmosphere, is that most of his quotes are from unnamed sources, which means that you need to have an inherent trust in the author. I do, but I can easily see people from either side of the spectrum call it all fabrication.

My hypotheis is based on discussions that followed in the electronic and print media following the launch of such books around April this year. I attended one such debate at IHC Delhi around the same time. Even though both Nag and Nilanjan both have talked a lot about the good qualities of Modi administration, focus of discussion was entirely on 2002 riots. And since the release of these books, the contents have been quoted multiple times in anti-Modi debates to buttress some points made against him. Nothing wrong with that, but it was being used as a tool to strengthen the anti-Modi debate. Like with all hypothesis, mine could be completely incorrect as well.

[The Outsider]

My hypotheis is based on discussions that followed in the electronic and print media following the launch of such books around April this year. I attended one such debate at IHC Delhi around the same time. Even though both Nag and Nilanjan both have talked a lot about the good qualities of Modi administration' date= focus of discussion was entirely on 2002 riots. And since the release of these books, the contents have been quoted multiple times in anti-Modi debates to buttress some points made against him. Nothing wrong with that, but it was being used as a tool to strengthen the anti-Modi debate. Like with all hypothesis, mine could be completely incorrect as well.

With regards to Nag's book, I can certainly say that in first 2/3 of the book the focus is not on 2002. He has two pages on it in the introduction and an entire chapter on it of 20 odd pages out of 120 or so pages I've read. The rest of the book till now has been on the interesting changing dynamics of the Patels in the 70s and 80s which propelled BJP to become such a strong force in Gujarat. He also has very bitter words about Solanki's caste equation politics which led to all this. Very far away from being an anti Modi propaganda. In fact, even for those not inclined in the Modi debate, his depiction of the changing dynamics of Gujarat way before Modi became of significance is worth a read.

[The Outsider]

BTW, convicted of corruption by the Gujarat High Court, Babu Bokhuria continues to "serve" in Modi's cabinet. Ye hai corruption free sarkaar!

[saneindian]

Babu Bokhiria's conviction stayed in illegal mining case And no he wasnt convicted by Guj HC but by a lower court, conviction stayed by a district judge But yes mistake to have him in the cabinet, should be out.