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Now, Nitesh Rane plays Marathi manoos card, targets Gujaratis in Mumbai who praise Narendra Modi :rofl: :rofl: Source: http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/1869070/report-now-nitesh-rane-plays-marathi-manoos-card-targets-gujaratis-in-mumbai-who-praise-narendra-modi

It seems the breed of foot-in-mouth-politicians has found a new member in Congress leader Nitesh Rane, whose attack on the Gujarati community in Mumbai has caused quite a flutter on micro-blogging site Twitter. Rane junior took to Twitter to vent his frustration against housing societies dominated by Gujarati speaking residents that insist on renting out or selling homes only to vegetarians. In a series of tweets from his handle @NiteshNRane, he targeted "white-collar" Gujaratis in Mumbai, who supported Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi and asked them to leave the city, so that "Marathi manus can flourish" and "buy houses where there is no discrimination". Nitesh Rane's office confirmed that the above said handle belongs to the leader. Veg skies,Veg hospitals,Veg housing societies..soon Veg Mumbai!Either Gujjus go back to Gujarat or they turn Mumbai into Gujarat..Red alert! — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) July 22, 2013 Surprisingly white collar Guju community was nevr a target who cleverly kept mumbai's financial chords with them!Now Modi's Guj awaits them! — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) July 1, 2013 Apparently Modi saved 15k gujjs in 2 days..can he also divert his plane towards mumbai n pick sum gujjus from here too! — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) June 25, 2013 All Hoo Haa of gujjus on twitter!Itni teekhi laagi Meri baat..chalo Modi ko bulao aur jaga khaali karo humare Marathis ke liye mumbai mein — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) June 24, 2013 Though Nitesh defended his comments in an interview with a leading Mumbai-based publication, his tweets have drawn sharp reactions from Gujaratis. Here are some of the tweets that are doing the rounds on the micro-blogging site: Mr. Nitesh rane u r d one discriminating Gujarati n marathi... N Narendra Modi is the best... U need not b a Gujarati or Marathi to be dbest — Dimple Shah Danda (@DimpleShahDanda) August 2, 2013 Ppl who oppose Gujaratis or others who praize Narendra Modi and ask us to leave Mumbai should have guts to push us out # Nitesh Rane — Amit Mehta (@am8mehta) August 2, 2013 Need to know from Nitesh Rane where should Marathi's South/north India's should go if we praise Modi? Do we have to leave Mumbai too?.. — ?? ??????? ???? ?? (@21centurie_kant) August 2, 2013 Nitesh Rane seems to have a confused ideology. 'Gujaratis' praising Namo can leave. Sounds like SS. And the anti Namo stand sounds Congi. — Akanksha Patankar (@Mrs_Patankar) August 2, 2013 This Nitesh Rane is the New Raj Thackray asking gujjus to leave the city.. — Zeal Soni (@Rapatraapchick) August 2, 2013 Nitesh Rane proves yet again that dividing the people of this country is Step no. 1 for every politician. — Sagar Nair (@yedda_anna) August 2, 2013 Nitesh Rane has joined in to become the next Digvijay Singh of comments and speeches. — omkar sane (@omkars) August 2, 2013 Surprising nobody has objected/ criticized/ denounced in public the "Gujaratis Maharashtra Chhodo" call of Nitesh Rane yet... — Ruchir Modi (@Ruchir78) August 2, 2013 Funny how Nitesh Rane has the balls to make such comments.Maybe he has forgotten that the position he has is a free gift from his dad. — Nidhi Vora (@NidhiVora93) August 2, 2013 My biggest issue is that politicians like #NiteshRane have time to do this, but no time to actually #makeadifference - it is all downhill — Karishma S. Shah (@UtopiaSeeker1) August 2, 2013 This is not the first time that Nitesh's tweets have stirred up a controversy. On July 31, the Congress leader had commented on author Shobhaa De's demand for Mumbai as a separate state. Rather than twitter, Shoba De shud say the same thing on the streets of Mumbai openly after which she won't be left with any 'shoba' forever — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) July 31, 2013 The tweet had drawn sharp reactions from all quarters for being sexist. However, Nitesh remained defiant and refused to apologise for his comments. In response to calls for apology to De, he tweeted English channels should ask Shobha De to apologise rather than askin me before it gets too late !! — nitesh rane (@NiteshNRane) August 1, 2013 Till now, Nitesh has remained in the shadow of his father and Congress minister Narayan Rane. We wonder whether these tweets were a sort of prelude to his entering the bigger game.
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didnt do any harm to congress in 2004 and 2009
Yeah, no harm done to congress. Infact they florished a lot and became billionaires. Sadly, Indian people went down to dirt.
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didnt do any harm to congress in 2004 and 2009
that is when all the big scams took place,it just came out in the public domain via media,tabloids after 2009 but the roots of corruption were sown during the UPA 1
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I do not endorse Rane's comments but there has been a sort of discrimination by some builders who sell houses ONLY if you are a Gujarati or Jain i.e. they want vegetarians (and in particular) to occupy their apartments. This is discrimination any which way you look at it - there was also a Bombay HC order declaring this practice as illegal IIRC. Rane's comments are also more a racial slur than anything. This is the problem with communal politics.

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I do not endorse Rane's comments but there has been a sort of discrimination by some builders who sell houses ONLY if you are a Gujarati or Jain i.e. they want vegetarians (and in particular) to occupy their apartments. This is discrimination any which way you look at it - there was also a Bombay HC order declaring this practice as illegal IIRC. Rane's comments are also more a racial slur than anything. This is the problem with communal politics.
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Now' date= Nitesh Rane plays Marathi manoos card, targets Gujaratis in Mumbai who praise Narendra Modi :rofl: :rofl:
By that logic, anyone Indian who praises Sonia should leave and go to Italy. And mind you, this is not one isolated incident, a lot of Gujaratis have been unfairly targeted or rather who admires Modi.
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Can we have closure on the 2002 Gujarat riots? Since 2002 however, a section of media, political parties and NGOs have kept up a barrage of propaganda to keep memories of these riots alive and created a sense of ‘victimhood’ amongst the minorities. The constant dinning of this propaganda has deepened the cleavages between majority and minority and also prompted a fear psychosis amongst the minority, says Colonel (retd) Anil Athale A ruling party spokesman has asserted that the terror outfit ‘Indian Mujahideen’ was formed due to Gujarat riots of 2002, indirectly justifying the 22 major terror attacks since then. In these terror attacks 1,110 persons have died. These figures do not include the casualties in Samjhauta train blasts, Malegaon or Hyderabad masjid blasts as these were possibly retaliatory attacks. The number of people who were injured runs into tens of thousands. These people’s lives were shattered for no fault of their own. He at one stroke has equated riots with acts of terror that have been long been sponsored by our Western neighbour -- sort of state terrorism by proxy. In a new low, some 60 odd MPs have sought to involve the US in this domestic dispute. This has grave repercussions on internal security and our war on terror. It is time these nefarious designs are exposed and the motor mouths countered once and for all. Since 2002, whenever the country is approaching elections, the corpses of Gujarat riots are excavated from their graves. The five-yearly phenomena of raising the ghosts of Gujarat reminds me of the story of Vikramaditya and Vetal! The ruling dispensation encashed this for electoral dividends in 2004 and 2009. Indications are that they are getting ready to do so again for the 2014 elections. There is very little that one can do to reform the depraved politicos who wish to do business on human misery. This article is addressed to the very minorities that suffered and not political parties that wish to encash on the funeral pyre of victims. But first and foremost, it needs to be reiterated that riots in Gujarat in 2002 cannot be labelled ‘genocide’. The statistics given by the home minister of the United Progressive Alliance government in Parliament on May 11, 2005, 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed (mostly in police action) and 223 persons are missing. This was no one sided violence. Unfortunately most articles and comments on that tragic event tend to paint a black and white picture. When lobbying groups continue to refer to these riots as ‘genocide’ they have outdone Adolf Hitler’s propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels in repeating a lie to convert it into a truth. One hopes our champions of ‘human rights’ at least see the truth. Large scale riots, as happened in Gujarat in March 2002, signify the breakdown of law and order. These are a social phenomenon and have deep rooted as well as proximate causes. India has seen riots between Hindus and Muslims during the British colonial rule as well as last 65 years of Independence. Terror strikes in the Indian context have a clear external element where an inimical neighbour has been fighting a proxy war against us sometimes using Indian citizens. There is huge amount of evidence in public domain on this nexus. The most horrific riots in India took place in 1947 during the secession of Muslim majority provinces. In all cases of serious riots police force is often found to be inadequate. It has been the Indian experience that serious riots have been brought under control only after the Indian Army was deployed. As a member of that organisation, this author is proud that whenever called to do so, the Army has been totally non partisan and has protected Indian citizens, irrespective of their caste or creed. I was personally told by Qutubudin Ansari (who became famous as the face of the riots after his crying photograph was splashed in the international media) that it was the arrival of the Indian Army soldiers that saved him and his family. The 2002 Gujarat riots however took place under peculiar circumstances. Normally, close to 3,000 soldiers are located in Ahmedabad. But February/March 2002 was not normal times.The Army was removed from peace station and was located on the border, almost 600 kilometres away in wake of the December 2001 attack on the Parliament. India and Pakistan were in an eye ball confrontation and an all out war was quite likely. Why should the media, NGOs and politicians who constantly harp on these grievances not be held culpable/responsible for these terror attacks which were prompted by this constant one sided lament? This author has one simple question that needs an honest answer from all the votaries of ‘justice’ for Gujarat riots. If instead of Hindu pilgrims from Ayodhya, were Haj pilgrims to be attacked and killed, what would have been the reaction? Then there are those spreading the canard that the Godhra incident was caused by a short circuit. Even granting for a moment that the fire was ‘accidental’, how does one explain the stone pelting of the burning train or mobs preventing the fire engines from reaching the site? It should be easy matter through the RTI act to find out the exact sequence of events, as to when the army help was requisitioned and when the first troops arrived and from where? As an aside, in case of the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, it is a known fact that the army in New Delhi and nearby Meerut cantonment was ready but was not called for 72 hours! This evidence is crucial in finding out whether the government of the day acted sincerely or with mala fide intent. People have forgotten the 1992 Los Angeles riots went on for six days under the watch Governor Peter Wilson of California or the Mumbai riots of 1993 that went on for a week, but yet some want to single out Gujarat for condemnation. Nobody has held Hitendra Desai (Gujarat chief minister in 1969), Sharad Pawar/Sudhakar Naik (Maharashtra chief minister in 1993), Rajiv Gandhi, prime minister in 1984 (The central government is in charge of the police in Delhi), Tarun Gogoi (chief minister of Assam) during recent riots and Pete Wilson during 1992, for the riots held during their respective watches. While the process of punishing the actual participants in riots goes on, the issue of culpability of the state government should be laid to rest if it is proved that it asked for army help without delay. Mere fact that hundreds got killed is no justification to harbour a sense of victimhood and hold the head of the government responsible. A poser to the minorities, who have been conditioned (by the very party responsible for ruling for last 60 years), please glance at the situation in neighbourhood. In the last five years over 48,000 persons have been killed in violence. Over 200 mosques or Imambara’s have been attacked. Where are Muslims safer, in India or Pakistan? Ultimately the solution to the communal violence is equal opportunity, economic development and mutual respect for each other’s sensibilities and traditions. http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-can-we-have-a-closure-on-the-2002-gujarat-riots/20130729.htm#1
That's a good article. A lot of Nazi level propaganda, false information and selective perception.
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Let's take the most optimistic scenario for the BJP(counting only the BJP not allies since their support will be contingent on Modi) in 2014: 1. UP - 30/80 2. Bihar - 10/40 3. Maharashtra - 30/48 (including Shiv Sena since they will gladly support Modi) 4. MP - 20/29 5. Rajasthan - 20/25 6. Karnataka - 15/28 7. Gujarat - 20/26 Throw in another 50 from AP, Assam, Chhatisgarh, Harayana, Delhi, Punjab, Orissa and they still don't cross 200 forget about 271. None of their allies except Shiv Sena is going to support a government with Modi at the helm. It will be political suicide if BJP makes Modi their PM candidate and despite what the internet residing middle class thinks the ground reality is that BJP has got it's ass handed to them on a platter wherever Modi has campaigned outside Gujarat.
if you are speaking about karnataka where all modi did was 2 rallies(probably only rallies which had full house) the state bjp itself knew they were never gonna get more then 55 seats and i being from karnataka can tell you the last 2 years of the bjp was worst then the one run by centre ( which by the is thw worst of all time)
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if you are speaking about karnataka where all modi did was 2 rallies(probably only rallies which had full house) the state bjp itself knew they were never gonna get more then 55 seats and i being from karnataka can tell you the last 2 years of the bjp was worst then the one run by centre ( which by the is thw worst of all time)
this is not bulbul :sad:
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Arundhati Roy in Chicago on Modi and the Hindu Nationalists [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCb15I5-ujs]Arundhati Roy in Chicago on Modi and the Hindu Nationalists - YouTube[/ame] Bullshyte has never been propounded to this level :phehehe: Here are a few gems "The train caught fire, nobody knows who set the fire" :hysterical: " a train full of pilgrims who were coming back from the destruction of this Ayodhya mosque " :hysterical::hysterical: What did these Gujju pilgrims do for 10 years in Ayodhya? Speaking on behalf of Gujjus, we cannot live without our daily supply of farsan... :hitler: Handvo, Dhokla, Fafda, Dabeli amar rahe :isalute:

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Gujarat's data on social indicators shows positive impact of policies

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. Contrary to what we may think, it wasn’t Benjamin Disraeli who first coined this expression. In the letter he wrote to “The Times” in 1895, he was quoting Lord Beaconsfield. But it seems to me we should coin another expression. There are three kinds of liars: liars, damned liars and those who can’t read statistics. The debate over Gujarat’s human development record doesn’t die down. It is fair to criticize Gujarat on social sector indicators. However, because of correlation between growth (economic development) and human development, evident in cross-country data in HDRs, it would be somewhat unusual to find no improvement in social sector indicators, albeit with a time-lag. Social sector indicators not having improved fast enough is also a fair criticism. But let’s have the facts, on which, there should be no dispute. First, Gujarat has slipped in inter-State HDI (human development index) rankings. Gujarat’s rank was 6th in 1991. In 2007-08 it slipped to 11th. On the face of it, there is nothing wrong with this assertion. It’s factually correct. But it one doesn’t look at details, there is both suppressio veri and suggestion falsi. States like Delhi, Himachal, Goa, the North-East, J&K, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh weren’t part of rankings in 1991. The number of States has gone up, making this an apple versus orange comparison. Take away those States. What do we have in 2007-08? Gujarat’s HDI rank is exactly the same in 2007-08, 6th. What’s happened to Gujarat’s HDI value? It was 0.431 in 1991, all-India was 0.381. It was 0.527 in 2007-08, all-India (with all States included) was 0.467. Let’s now move on to education specifically. The all-India literacy rate was 52.2% in 1991, 65.4% in 2001 and 74.0% in 2011. Gujarat’s literacy rate was 61.2% in 1991, 69.1% in 2001 and 79.3% in 2011. Note this. In percentage point terms, all-India improved more than Gujarat between 1991 and 2001, but improved less than Gujarat between 2001 and 2011. Because of the assertion about gender biases in Gujarat, what about women? For women, the all-India literacy rate was 39.3% in 1991, 54.2% in 2001 and 65.5% in 2011. For Gujarat, it was 48.9% in 1991, 57.8% in 2001 and 70.7% in 2011. The proposition that Gujarat did better between 2001 and 2011 than all-India is even stronger for women. You can work out what has happened to gender gaps in literacy. For Gujarat alone, let’s take something like drop-out rates in primary education. For Standards I-V, it was 20.93% in 2000-01 and 2.07% in 2011-12. But this is overall. What about gender biases? For Standards I-V and for girls, it was 20.81% in 2000-01 and 2.08% in 2011-12. Sure, there are problems with retention. Let’s take the drop-out rate for girls, for Standards I-VII. It was 36.90% in 2000-01 and 7.82% in 2011-12. From education, let’s move on to health. Gujarat’s infant mortality rate (IMR) was 69 in 1991, 60 in 2001 and 41 in 2011. The all-India IMR was 80 in 1991, 66 in 2001 and 44 in 2011. Measured as percentage drops, the all-India decline was more than Gujarat’s between 1991 and 2001, but less than Gujarat’s between 2001 and 2011. The all-India maternal mortality ratio (MMR) was 327 in 1999-2001 and 212 in 2007-09. The Gujarat MMR was 202 in 1999-2001 and 148 in 2007-09. The sex ratio is something Gujarat is criticized about. The all-India child (0-6) sex ratio was 945 in 1991, 927 in 2001 and 919 in 2011. The Gujarat child sex ratio was 928 in 1991, 883 in 2001 and 890 in 2011. Between 2001 and 2011, the all-India child sex ratio worsened, while that in Gujarat improved marginally. However, 890 is still bad. But if one is interested in the impact of government policies, sex ratio at birth is an alternative indicator. For all-India, this was 894 in 2001 and 906 in 2011. For Gujarat, it was 837 in 2001 and 909 in 2011. I am inclined to interpret this as positive impact of policies. What about malnutrition? There is a problem there, since there haven’t been National Family Health Surveys after 2005-06. What do State government data show? For under-5 children, 71% were under-weight in 2007 and the figure declined to 29% in 2013. As I said, views are fine and can be subjective. But data should be hard and objective. I wonder if the people who pontificate have the sense to look at data first.
http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/policypuzzles/entry/gujarat-s-data-on-social-indicators-shows-positive-impact-of-policies
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