What's wrong with Indian cricket's spin bowlers?

[vvvslaxman]

The article muddles up many points but makes one definitive one - Indian spinners are not good enough. Ashwin just keeps floating the ball without enough work and I wonder if fitness has got something to do with it.

True.. He relies on flight..Revs are needed to get more bite off the surface. Exactly why Murali and Warne were successful. Don't think Naraine gives enough revs either.

[rkt.india]

True.. He relies on flight..Revs are needed to get more bite off the surface. Exactly why Murali and Warne were successful. Don't think Naraine gives enough revs either.

Those two were wrist spinners.

[maniac]

So whenever we talk about our bowling Coach...there is always a mention of him grooming or mentoring Fast bowlers,be it Venky Prasad,Eric Simmons or Joe dawes.So who works with the Spinners? Is it automatically assumed that our spinners are good enough in home conditions and beyond coachable? Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed a Spin bowling Coach with the English team?I mean really credit were due,looks like he did a great job with Swann and Monty ...just look at Swann's growth as a bowler...he is probably made a world of difference to how the English bowling line-up looks.

[Tiger-Don]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-west-indies-2012/content/current/story/594518.html just have a look at this.... i say get india a good coach to take care of those spining boys

[maniac]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-west-indies-2012/content/current/story/594518.html just have a look at this.... i say get india a good coach to take care of those spining boys

Yup....thats the same point I made in the other thread....BCB was amart enough to realise their strengths and invest accordingly.

[Tiger-Don]

Yup....thats the same point I made in the other thread....BCB was amart enough to realise their strengths and invest accordingly.

Gazi imbibes Saqlain's wisdom The day before the first ODI against West Indies, Sohag Gazi spent close to an hour bowling at Saqlain Mushtaq. The former Pakistan offspinner stood behind one stump, baseball mitt in one hand, on the wicket next to the one where the Bangladesh offspinner would make his ODI debut. Apart from the bowling, the only other activity during the whole exercise was when Saqlain moved the markers. It happened only a few times, to indicate what lines and length to bowl when the bowler switched to around the wicket, but there was very little exchange of words. It was clear that the plans were set and had been spelled out to the youngster, who devotedly carried them out the next day. . . . . .http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/594518.html

[Utalk]

+1 We need a chucker!! Pak has 2, may be 3.[/] Ojha is doing a good job as a chucker- Bedi.

[SLICKR392]

Obsessed with Pakis are we?? Ojha is doing a good job as a chucker- Bedi.

No ones obsessed with Pakis. Its just that we need "better" chuckers :idunno:

[hhhhdmt]

No ones obsessed with Pakis. Its just that we need "better" chuckers :idunno:

is Rehman a chucker? he is a better test spinner than anyone india has right now. And Ajmal's action is perfectly legal according to the rules today

[NareshK]

is Rehman a chucker? he is a better test spinner than anyone india has right now. And Ajmal's action is perfectly legal according to the rules today

Rehman is a lollipop bowler if ever there was one. Dont write off India's spinners because of one bad game. Ojha and Ashwin are only playing their first big test series. They are bound to make mistakes and learn from them.

[Trichromatic]

Rehman is a lollipop bowler if ever there was one. Dont write off India's spinners because of one bad game. Ojha and Ashwin are only playing their first big test series. They are bound to make mistakes and learn from them.

When did Ashwin get a good game? Ashwin's first big test series was played in Australia.

[NareshK]

When did Ashwin get a good game? Ashwin's first big test series was played in Australia.

So he was the quickest Indian bowler to pick 50 wickets because he never had a good game ? Check the series against New Zealand and West Indies.

[Trichromatic]

is Rehman a chucker? he is a better test spinner than anyone india has right now. And Ajmal's action is perfectly legal according to the rules today

Rehman's ranking - 11th. Ojha's ranking - 5th. Before you bring the fact that Rehman hasn't played for long time - Rehman's career best rating 739, Ojha's career best rating 767.

[Trichromatic]

So he was the quickest Indian bowler to pick 50 wickets because he never had a good game ? Check the series against New Zealand and West Indies.

Those were big games for him?

[NareshK]

Ashwin's first big test series was played in Australia.

Yes, we all know how easy it is for spinners to pick wickets in Australia. They only prepare rank turners there.

[NareshK]

Those were big games for him?

Of course. They are still test teams the last time I checked. If you discount them, you are left with only 3 or 4 "good" teams in a 9 nation sport. :cantstop:

[vvvslaxman]

Of course. They are still test teams the last time I checked. If you discount them' date=' you are left with only 3 or 4 "good" teams in a 9 nation sport. :cantstop:[/quote'] If he had taken wickets against England it would have been "They suck against spinners anyway.. that doesn't count" :cantstop: . He is no way a finished product. But too early to discard him.

[Trichromatic]

Ojha and Ashwin are only playing their first big test series.

Those were big games for him?

Of course. They are still test teams the last time I checked. If you discount them' date=' you are left with only 3 or 4 "good" teams in a 9 nation sport. :cantstop:[/quote'] :blink: First you say that this first big series for Ashwin, then you say that NZ and WI series were also big series for them? wth. Two different people posting from same account?

[NareshK]

First you say that this first big series for Ashwin, then you say that NZ and WI series were also big series for them? wth. Two different people posting from same account?

I didnt say NZ and WI were big series. I said you cant discount those performances just because they are not big teams. He did as well as possible against them. In the last test, we have to give credit to Cook and KP for the way they batted. Ashwin has to learn from what he did wrong and get better. In India, we have this problem of forgetting that other teams are here to compete and win. So we over criticize whenever some of our players dont do well.

[Trichromatic]

I didnt say NZ and WI were big series. I said you cant discount those performances just because they are not big teams. He did as well as possible against them. In the last test, we have to give credit to Cook and KP for the way they batted. Ashwin has to learn from what he did wrong and get better. In India, we have this problem of forgetting that other teams are here to compete and win. So we over criticize whenever some of our players dont do well.

I agree that he made mistakes because he wasn't that good. But since your original reply was for comparison with Rehman then how does mistake make him better than Rehman and how good performance by Rehman makes him a lollipop bowler?