rkt.india Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 India's meek surrender in two consecutive Tests against England on home turf was on Sunday lambasted by former players, who felt it was high time the selectors made players accountable for their shambolic performance. India lost by seven wickets in the third Test in Kolkata to concede an unassailable 2-1 series lead to England, who had earlier mauled the hosts by 10 wickets in the second match in Mumbai. "England were well-prepared while India were over confident. The Indian preparation for this important series was diabolical," said former captain and ex-chief selector Dilip Vengsarkar. "When we went to England we played one warm-up game before plunging into the Test series. The same happened when we went to Australia. By contrast England's preparations were very good. I hope the selectors show vision and courage of conviction. At least a couple of changes are expected straightaway," he said. Another former chief selector Kris Srikkanth directed his ire towards skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni, calling him confused. "Definitely Dhoni is confused. He does not know what to do and when things go out of control he just lets them drift away," he said. Kiran More, also a former selector, said some changes should be made to the side ahead of the fourth Test starting on Thursday in Nagpur. "We were outplayed in all departments and if you don't score 450 plus in the first innings on a track that was provided, you are already on the backfoot. At this point of time you cannot have wholesale changes, may be one or two changes for the next Test match. "I don't want to blame the captain alone because it has been a collective failure," he said. Asked what should be the next step forward, More said, "It is a difficult phase we are going through but this rebuilding stage will continue for another 2-3 years minimum. Till then you need to have confidence in the set up and also back the youngsters who will be playing the longer version." Former batsman Kirti Azad ridiculed the team's performance and praised the Englishmen for adapting to the conditions. "It is not just the batsmen, it is the entire team. I fail to understand that our spinners were struggling to take wickets but look at the spinners of the England team. They have bowled to a very good line. They are not trying anything because the wicket is helpful. "They have managed to put batsmen under a lot of pressure and you could see that even the god of cricket struggled to get into form. I have heard Niranjan Shah say that this team can do wonders. Sure it can but only in the dressing room I suppose," he said. Azad said the team lacks consistent performers. "I think we have the best team on paper. I hope we are not reduced to paper tigers. We have some great players in the side but it seems they are supporting each other rather than trying to support and make a good Indian team. "We have good players who can perform well but then your greatness is known by your consistency, if you don't have consistency than you old records will not help you," he said. Former England captain Geoffery Boycott said India were "out-batted, out-bowled, out-fielded and out-energised by the England team." "England showed remarkable comeback after the Ahmedabad Test. It was a huge challenge for them. In Ahmedabad, they lost because of the scoreboard pressure," he said. Analysing India's problems, Boycott said, "Look at your best players last year. Virat Kohli, he has been out five times to aweful shots. Somebody should talk to him and ask what is going on here. If I were a selector, I would sit down with the team and talk to them. "India's body language is just not good. I don't think they can win in Nagpur unless they show remarkable improvement," Boycott added. Forner captain Mohammed Azharudding said,"It was a disappointing performance and it was time for youngsters to get a chance." Former coach Ajit Wadekar said the Indians seemed over-confident. "Indians' body language showed they were complacent while England had come well-prepared. They spent time in Dubai and Sri Lanka before coming here and were determined to do well. Our middle order failed miserably and their spinners Monty Panesar and Graeme Swann bowled much better than ours," he declared. "(Ravichandran) Ashwin seems to be a better batsman than a bowler and could be promoted up the batting order," he quipped. Raja Venkat, who was a national selector till two months back, feels that the quality of England team attack has made the difference. "Graeme Swann and Monty Panesar have bowled much much better than Ravichandran Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha. you need to understand that if you are clamouring for turning tracks then you are making it easier for the English spinners simply because they are far superior than our Indian counterparts. "Let's be honest, Swann is the best off-spinner in the world, keeping Saeed Ajmal in mind. Because Swann has the loveliest classical action that you can find and he is a far better off spinner than Ashwin." Another former chief selector Bapu Nadkarni termed it as a "batting failure" because, according to him, the Indian batsmen were satisfied to make 60-70 runs and then get out. "It was batting failure. It was poor batting on a pitch that was not difficult to bat on and was a slow turner. Our batsmen have forgotten the art of playing Test match and are satisfied with a 30-40 or 60-70," said the former left-arm spinner. "It's a question of patience. Cricket Test matches are a test of patience," said Nadkarni who also blamed the limited over mentality for the bowlers' inability to stick to a consistent line and length. "Tell me how many bowlers are consistent in their line and length? Bowling in a 50-over or T20 game is different to bowling in Tests. When the one-day game had come I had said it is not very good for Test cricket. Now the T20 game has taken it further," he remarked. He, however, left it to the cricket administrators to deal with issues like T20 cricket and wanted the individual players to decide what was good for them. "It's an open field. It's upto the individual players to decide whether to concentrate on playing for the country or on other things. It's upto the cricket administrators to decide about T20 cricket schedule," he said. Former Test and ODI swing bowler Balwinder Singh Sandhu praised England for their superior preparedness for the series. "We thought by making turning wickets we would win but they played better cricket on the same wickets. They were better prepared. They handled spin bowling much better," said Sandhu, a member of the 1983 World Cup winning squad. http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/53677/dhoni-is-confused:-srikkanth/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=news&utm_campaign=gadget
Lord Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 overconfident comment seems right.they were just relying on pitch n England's supposed inability against spin.wen that did not happen,they did not know what to do.batsmen also took spinners lightly
CG Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Sack MS Dhoni, bring in new blood: Mohinder Amarnath PUNE: Mohinder Amarnath on Monday joined the chorus against MS Dhoni's continuation as India's Test skipper, saying Dhoni's performances did not merit selection but nobody within the Indian cricket board (BCCI) had the "guts" to remove him. Known for his plain speaking, the 62-year-old Amarnath, one of the chief architects of India's first World Cup win in 1983, has had a stormy relationship with cricket authorities both during and after his playing days. A part of the previous selection committee for a while, Amarnath was in line to become chairman of selectors but was removed after alleged differences with the BCCI top brass. It was rumoured he was not in favour of Dhoni's continuation as captain after the string of defeats in England and Australia. The veteran of 69 Tests, known for his fearless approach while facing fast bowlers, said at a promotional event, "Dhoni doesn't find a place in the team. What has he done for the team in the last one year? The selection committee does not have guts to remove Dhoni." Dispelling notions that he was bitter about the manner of his removal from the selection panel, Amarnath said, "I am not against Dhoni. It is not that I do not like him. But we should look at it from a broader perspective. It is important to look at current performance of players rather than past performances." Amarnath, who used to represent North Zone in the selection panel, was rumoured to have had a tiff with the board over Dhoni's continuation and also disagreed over the team picked for the ICC World T20 Championship in September. "There is no harm in having different captains for different forms of the game. I am impressed with Virat Kohli in the shorter version of the game. Gautam Gambhir could be a replacement for Dhoni in Tests," he said. Amarnath also said it was time for Sachin Tendulkar to take a call on his career. "Sachin is a great cricketer. He has been playing for many years. Now he cannot play the way he was playing earlier. The time comes for everybody," he said. Amarnath was accompanied by his teammate of yesteryears and another selection committee chairman, Dilip Vengsarkar who echoed Amarnath's thoughts on Tendulkar. "Sachin is a fantastic cricketer. He has contributed a lot for Indian cricket. However, he is now 39 years old. He will continue scoring runs, but not with the same speed. He will not dominate as he used to in the past," he said. Amarnath felt the team needed an injection of young blood. "When other players are not performing, the youngsters should get opportunity to perform. We have to give them time and opportunity to show their performance," he said. Vengsarkar, on his part, said the replacements were not good enough. "We are struggling with options at present. Some players are struggling with injuries. We do not have strong replacements for these players," he said, before adding, "The team members have to remove themselves from their comfort zone and perform well." The former India captain did not rule out the return of Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Singh, who have been dropped from the squad for the fourth Test in the ongoing series against England. "Next year, we will be playing against Pakistan and Australia. Harbhajan, Yuvraj and Zaheer are talented. They always have a chance to come back," he said. Amarnath was also scathing on the IPL, saying, "IPL is not cricket. It is an entertainment. IPL is not going to help other formats of Indian cricket." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournament/england-in-india-2012/top-stories/Sack-MS-Dhoni-bring-in-new-blood-Mohinder-Amarnath/articleshow/17565837.cms :hatsoff:
Pagalpanti Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Srikanth didn't wait long did he? He didn't even bring any changes to squad let alone bring new captain and now is asking that from new selection committee, he has no credibility :facepalm:
mhr123 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 both are now talking bullsh1t .. these are the same guys backing MSD after 8-0 .. since they are out of the selectors payroll .. now the real talk starts.
shane002 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Dhoni is confused: Srikkanth Dhoni is confused says Kris Srikkanth Cricket News Update In the wake of the team's first back to back home-Test defeats since the turn of the ce. Serviced Apartment in Mcleodganj | guest house Mcleodganj | hotels in Mcleodganj
MCcricket Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Indian Cricket 3 Idiots Dhoni, Srekant, Srini. Srikant has done enough damage and now talking about Dhoni, he is the main culprit bLOO@#$ iDI!@#
Pagalpanti Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 both are now talking bullsh1t .. these are the same guys backing MSD after 8-0 .. since they are out of the selectors payroll .. now the real talk starts. Amarnath was shown his way-out because he wanted changes after 0-8. Before his revolt he was actually tipped to be the next chief selector.
SLICKR392 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Indian Cricket 3 Idiots Dhoni, Srekant, Srini. Srikant has done enough damage and now talking about Dhoni, he is the main culprit bLOO@#$ iDI!@# What's that? Bloody Idli?
mhr123 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 What's that? Bloody Idli? i think he meant bloody Idiot...
kubrickian Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 More than Dhoni, Gambhir should have been dropped right after Australian tour. He has been a deadweight for 3 years in test team and has stayed only on account of performances in ODI side and previous test records. Playing as an opener and having an average of 30 for 3 years is unforgivable.
vvvslaxman Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 He is taking out on Dhoni for him not playing Anirudda in the IPL? :cantstop:
TheWall Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 He is taking out on Dhoni for him not playing Anirudda in the IPL? :cantstop: +infinity
yoda Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Srikkanth seems to be the confused one. Wasn't he the one who persisted with Dhoni?
vvvslaxman Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Srikkanth seems to be the confused one. Wasn't he the one who persisted with Dhoni? He had the powers to remove his captaincy. He kept mum at that time :cantstop: to serve interests of Srinivasan. Now he opens his mouth.
Manny_Pacquiao Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 why is it so difficult for the selectors to remove dhoni? the one selector that had the balls to **** dhoni off got fired. i just dont get it. the guy is losing one game after another, and his own personal game has gone down the *****er. so why is it so hard to remove him? i can only imagine that there is a vested interest at work here. this is what happens when dumb **** politicians and businessmen who KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the game are in control of things. for them, making money comes before the well being of indian cricket, results are secondary to drawing eyeballs. as long as the eyeballs are there, the big tv contracts will roll in. to get the eyeballs, you need the big names. and dhoni is obviously a bigger attraction than dinesh karthik or saha. tendulkar is a bigger attraction than rohit sharma or tiwary, or somebody else. THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION for whats going on. let the cricketers run cricket, without political or external influences. wishful thinking, i guess. indian cricket will always be at the mercy of these imbeciles. thats why people like amarnath get fired for trying to do their job.
gimac Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Dhoni confused ??? NO Worn out with too much cricket is more likely.
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