Dumbbells Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 Such as...? As far as I've seen, pace gets you fast tracked into the team. Varun Aaron played a Test match despite never taking Ranji wickets simply due to his speed. Awana had to wait for 4 years and he is 26 now. He should have been selected when he was young and bowling quick. The likes of Pankaj singh are being ignored and he is already 28 i believe. Abu Nechim has been ignored for many years now. Pawan suyal is not even in India A team... The list goes on....U guys are always happy with Vinay kumars and Praveen kumar...
msb1991 Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 Awana had to wait for 4 years and he is 26 now. He should have been selected when he was young and bowling quick. The likes of Pankaj singh are being ignored and he is already 28 i believe. Abu Nechim has been ignored for many years now. Pawan suyal is not even in India A team... The list goes on....U guys are always happy with Vinay kumars and Praveen kumar... Awana was quicker when he was younger? Where is the evidence for that? Pankaj has played ODIs in the past and will no doubt get a spot soon. Abu Nechim is a mediocre domestic performer. Suyal has played just 13 First Class matches. There is a limit to the extent one can be fast tracked due to a number on a speed gun. It is about the numbers on the scorecard. That is what wins matches!
rkt.india Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Awana had to wait for 4 years and he is 26 now. He should have been selected when he was young and bowling quick. The likes of Pankaj singh are being ignored and he is already 28 i believe. Abu Nechim has been ignored for many years now. Pawan suyal is not even in India A team... The list goes on....U guys are always happy with Vinay kumars and Praveen kumar... Not one of them is extremely quick in the range of 90 mph as Yadav and Aaron were or Sandeep Warrier is talked about. In India if yoiu are quick, clock 145, you are always followed and everyone watches you because 145K bowlers are exceptions in India. Sandeep is getting a lot of praise, but we cannot be sure until we see him.
Dumbbells Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Awana was quicker when he was younger? Where is the evidence for that? Pankaj has played ODIs in the past and will no doubt get a spot soon. Abu Nechim is a mediocre domestic performer. Suyal has played just 13 First Class matches. There is a limit to the extent one can be fast tracked due to a number on a speed gun. It is about the numbers on the scorecard. That is what wins matches! awana was selected from gatarode pace competition four years back. He bowled 138+ then. Fast bowlers have short life and they are bound to get slower when they become old. Young fast bowlers who can bowl 140s should be fast tracked atleast to A team. With proper guidance they can learn swing line and length etc. Its very rare that a pace bowler add pace when they get old. Y s it pakis keep on producing quicks? Are they racially superior? Nope. They select bowlers who bowl quick, it doesn't matter if they don't know anything about swing or seam, they can learn it , but u cannot teach a bowler how to bowl fast. Its hard to explain. Not many wanna do it bcoz its harder than holding a bat and smack the ball around the park and only few people do it bcoz they wanna run in hard bowl quick and scare d batsman.
Vilander Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 tmil nadu has been shyte boling team.. im sure it wont be hard to get in as bowler cough ** Ashwin** cough..
Vilander Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Mehul @21_06_94 New fast bowlin sensation sandeep warrier from kerala looks a fatastic prospect average spees was 142mp. fastest ball he clocked was 147mph Collapse 12:53 AM - 25 Dec 12 · Details 26 Dec Akalp Aarkay (RKT) Akalp Aarkay (RKT) @ObsessedPsych from where did you get those speeds? @21_06_94 average spees was 142mp. fastest ball he clocked was 147mph Expand 23h Mehul Mehul @21_06_94 @ObsessedPsych hey from a kerala fan but i doubt he clocked 147mp probably was round 142mph at most.. but dis guy deffo as raw pace..
JaFanatic Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 awana was selected from gatarode pace competition four years back. He bowled 138+ then. Fast bowlers have short life and they are bound to get slower when they become old. Young fast bowlers who can bowl 140s should be fast tracked atleast to A team. With proper guidance they can learn swing line and length etc. Its very rare that a pace bowler add pace when they get old. Y s it pakis keep on producing quicks? Are they racially superior? Nope. They select bowlers who bowl quick' date=' it doesn't matter if they don't know anything about swing or seam, they can learn it , but u cannot teach a bowler how to bowl fast. Its hard to explain. Not many wanna do it bcoz its harder than holding a bat and smack the ball around the park and only few people do it bcoz they wanna run in hard bowl quick and scare d batsman.[/quote'] if a bowler slows down at an age of 26 then something is wrong with his fitness. and awana won that competition by bowling one at 138.something and he can bowl even faster than that today dunno how you are saying he is regressed:idunno:
NareshK Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 The stupid thing that Indian selectors did earlier was they never used to promote young pacers even if they are quick or talented directly into A tour or the national side. They were treated like spinners and made to "prove" themselves year after year on flat, batting tracks. Obviously, after getting hit around by even mediocre batsmen in domestic cricket they would lose confidence and also became injury prone because of long spells. Munaf Patel is a good example of this. Its a welcoming sign that now some pace bowlers like Umesh, Varun Aaron at least are getting fast tracked rather than having to toil away in FC. If they have some pace and get seam movement and can pick wickets, they should be getting opportunities as much as possible.
Magneto Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 awana was selected from gatarode pace competition four years back. He bowled 138+ then. Fast bowlers have short life and they are bound to get slower when they become old. Young fast bowlers who can bowl 140s should be fast tracked atleast to A team. With proper guidance they can learn swing line and length etc. Its very rare that a pace bowler add pace when they get old. Y s it pakis keep on producing quicks? Are they racially superior? Nope. They select bowlers who bowl quick' date=' it doesn't matter if they don't know anything about swing or seam, they can learn it , but u cannot teach a bowler how to bowl fast. Its hard to explain. Not many wanna do it bcoz its harder than holding a bat and smack the ball around the park and only few people do it bcoz they wanna run in hard bowl quick and scare d batsman.[/quote'] You are confused about the facts about Awana. He was never selected 4 years back in the Gatorade Pace Competition, in fact, the Gatorade Competition started in 2007 and Awana had already made his debut for Delhi in 2007. He won the ESPN Scorpio Speedster Contest in 2004. During the contest, he bowled at 138 kph and emerged victorious. Ashok Dinda came 2nd, and both were sent to Brisbane to learn the ropes of fast bowling from Damien Fleming.
Magneto Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 The stupid thing that Indian selectors did earlier was they never used to promote young pacers even if they are quick or talented directly into A tour or the national side. They were treated like spinners and made to "prove" themselves year after year on flat, batting tracks. Obviously, after getting hit around by even mediocre batsmen in domestic cricket they would lose confidence and also became injury prone because of long spells. Munaf Patel is a good example of this. Its a welcoming sign that now some pace bowlers like Umesh, Varun Aaron at least are getting fast tracked rather than having to toil away in FC. If they have some pace and get seam movement and can pick wickets, they should be getting opportunities as much as possible. Pathan and Ishant were fast-tracked at an earlier age than Yadav or Aaron.
Old guy Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 cough ** Ashwin** cough.. is he playing ranji?
Vilander Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 is he playing ranji? not this one, but your comment sounded more decadal.
Old guy Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 not this one' date=' but your comment sounded more decadal.[/quote'] plz read it again and see the context we were talking about that he wont get into zonal team cos of quotas... also that most of players will be from tamil nadu or Karnataka ... thats why i said that..it should be very easy for him as there are no good bowlers on these both teams.. also i have said this before and will say it again u dont need to be so defensive abt ur state if u read comments here punjab is attacked much more :giggle:
Vilander Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 plz read it again and see the context we were talking about that he wont get into zonal team cos of quotas... also that most of players will be from tamil nadu or Karnataka ... thats why i said that..it should be very easy for him as there are no good bowlers on these both teams.. also i have said this before and will say it again u dont need to be so defensive abt ur state if u read comments here punjab is attacked much more :giggle: if your statement was not decadal then i dont have any opinions on it, you dont have to be so defensive about your comments..
Old guy Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 if your statement was not decadal then i dont have any opinions on it' date=' you dont have to be so defensive about your comments..[/quote'] why ? if some one takes my comment wrongly i think its better to clear things and i have seen this with u before u really get emotional when there is even bit of banter abt this topic :giggle:
VRV Singh Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 And Sandeep was quick to admit the role played by Sreesanth in his success. "My confidence has grown immensly since Sreesanth joined the squad. He told me about the angles to bowl. In fact, two of the wickets that I took after lunch today were planned by Sreesanth. He asked me to bowl four balls from close to the stumps before bowling the next one from wide of the crease. The plan worked and i got two wickets," said an elated Sandeep. Can never forget DTW crediting Kerala's wickets to Sreesanth's presence and influence from the stands last year. I am sure this news made his Christmas.
dragonfly Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 I haven't been this excited about an Indian fast bowler since the days of Bihar Express. I am shivering in anticipation of that first sighting of our Warrior in the wild (a.k.a YouTube).
game_changerr Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 so many promising sandeeps:dance:,,,,,first sandeep sharma and now sandeep warrior,,,,,,,and with sandeep patil as chief selector,expect all sandeeps to flourish:two_thumbs_up:
Magneto Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 I haven't been this excited about an Indian fast bowler since the days of Bihar Express. I am shivering in anticipation of that first sighting of our Warrior in the wild (a.k.a YouTube). KLPD in store (probably) The best thing that the Sandeep Warrier news has done till now is to relegate Sreesanth's comeback 4-wicket haul to the sidelines. Everyone agrees that Warrior is the most promising bowler from Kerala presently, and this might mean that Sreesanth does 'waterboy' duties in this year's Deodhar/or next year's Duleep. :dance:
rkt.india Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 I haven't been this excited about an Indian fast bowler since the days of Bihar Express. I am shivering in anticipation of that first sighting of our Warrior in the wild (a.k.a YouTube). Bihar Express bahut jald track par ja sakti hai.:two_thumbs_up:
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