CG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Fact is its very hard for opener abroad when facing a good quality attack.when we had a good attack opp openers struggled against us too.Look at strauss,Smith even cook in england against india.
Laaloo Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 And the point is that the replacement will be worse. It's not easy for openers from the subcontinent to perform in places like Australia and South Africa. There are A tours coming up and if some opener can perform well' date=' sure get him in. But just putting in hacks like Vijay and Mukund and hoping for the best is not going to help. Sehwag is 34, not 43. He still has a good 2-3 years of cricket left in him.[/quote'] Do you really not see his attitude? He doesn't care. It's like he couldn't gvie a damn anymore. You can tell by his recent performances in South African and England series 2 years ago. There has to be someone else in the domestics who is willing to grind out a 50 here and there and not like Sehwag 25 runs banake out ho jaata hai. It also doesn't help that gambhir doesnt learn from his mistakes and our middle order is unsettled. We don't even know when Sachin will retire. I guess what we can do is give him the Aussies series and let him bat in the middle order and see how it goes. It's better to experiment at home rather than in South Africa later on this year.
Laaloo Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Fact is its very hard for opener abroad when facing a good quality attack.when we had a good attack opp openers struggled against us too.Look at strauss' date='Smith even cook in england against india.[/quote'] Yeah but in recent form they grind it out and weather the initial storm so it makes it easier for the middle order not like sehwag do chaukke maar ke dressing room mein wapas.
CG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 i agree he should play but i dont agree in putting our hopes in his hands..as in past he has not done much in such conditions.. What ever matches india has won abroad be it Joberg,Perth,durban,Headingly,trentbridge have been due to teamwork .Sehwag has a role which he played as we had a great middle order.But Now its all on him.He has to find a way or bat down the order.
Lord Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Yeah but in recent form they grind it out and weather the initial storm so it makes it easier for the middle order not like sehwag do chaukke maar ke dressing room mein wapas. Sehwag should change his approach I agree,but he still has the ability.Gambhir's a bigger worry as he has technical issues
Old guy Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 What ever matches india has won abroad be it Joberg' date='Perth,durban,Headingly,trentbridge have been due to teamwork .Shewag has a role which he played as we had a great middle order.But Now its all on him.He has to find a way or bat down the order.[/quote'] i think he will struggle in middle order players like him just dont work in situations like 5 down for 200 he is best at top cos he can set the game in way he likes i dont think he can see situation and react to it but i guess nothing wrong with trying him in place of raina or yuvi :P
Laaloo Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Sehwag should change his approach I agree' date='but he still has the ability.Gambhir's a bigger worry as he has technical issues[/quote'] He might still have the ability but not the desire. 20-25 runs are no good especially when you are so horrendous in the field and that lethargic attitude also spreads within the team easily. I am willing to give Sehwag one more series and that should be the Australia series and he should bat in the middle order since he has wanted to do that for a long time now. So, let's see if he enjoys that. The other guy is enjoying his cricket and it's not doing too good for the team:--D
Lord Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 i think he will struggle in middle order players like him just dont work in situations like 5 down for 200 he is best at top cos he can set the game in way he likes i dont think he can see situation and react to it but i guess nothing wrong with trying him in place of raina or yuvi :P he can counter attack from 5-200 too.like Gilly,Prior etc
The Outsider Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Do you really not see his attitude? He doesn't care. It's like he couldn't gvie a damn anymore. You can tell by his recent performances in South African and England series 2 years ago. There has to be someone else in the domestics who is willing to grind out a 50 here and there and not like Sehwag 25 runs banake out ho jaata hai. It also doesn't help that gambhir doesnt learn from his mistakes and our middle order is unsettled. We don't even know when Sachin will retire. I guess what we can do is give him the Aussies series and let him bat in the middle order and see how it goes. It's better to experiment at home rather than in South Africa later on this year. His "attitude" and mannerisms have always come across as casual. Even I was not happy at the way he played the IPL and was playing the England tests on a stretcher. More than that I am worried about his approach to batting. It's not that he has not got starts, but on those occasions he has thrown it away sometimes hitting full tosses from spinners. That needs to be changed, but if he can do that, he is better than any opener in the country. Or he can play in the middle order but needs to play more percentage cricket. I am hoping his getting dropped from the ODI side will change it, similar to the last time he was dropped in '07.
CG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 i think he will struggle in middle order players like him just dont work in situations like 5 down for 200 he is best at top cos he can set the game in way he likes i dont think he can see situation and react to it but i guess nothing wrong with trying him in place of raina or yuvi :P He will be better at no 5 as he plays spinners well and can counterattack at that position and its easier to bat in the middle order than opening abroad.
Lord Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 He might still have the ability but not the desire. 20-25 runs are no good especially when you are so horrendous in the field and that lethargic attitude also spreads within the team easily. I am willing to give Sehwag one more series and that should be the Australia series and he should bat in the middle order since he has wanted to do that for a long time now. So' date=' let's see if he enjoys that. The other guy is enjoying his cricket and it's not doing too good for the team:--D[/quote'] How do you say hes not got the desire?the attitude was same when he was scoring runs,and he was loved for it.Then it was carefree,now its deemed careless.can't have both ways imo. He should play Aus series in middle order and see how it goes
rkt.india Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Can you name any other Indian opener except Gavaskar who has even these many performances in away conditions? Forget Indian' date=' can you name any opener from the subcontinent who has these many performances.[/quote'] Problem is not what he has done in the past. He did have his moments overseas too. But it is 5 years, since he did anything off note overseas and to expect him to change of fortunes is asking for too much.
saneindian Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Unfortunately since being dropped from ODIs, Sehwag has hardly worked on his fitness. Has added a few more KGs and will be seen in an even worse fitness during the Irani Trophy.
Old guy Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 He will be better at no 5 as he plays spinners well and can counterattack at that position and its easier to bat in the middle order than opening abroad. but some times it swings through out day ..idk counter attack is one thing even kp or prior which lord gave example of have very solid defense and can defend too if steyn is on fire kp himself admitted that innings he played in england was only possible cos track was flattish and on tougher tracks it would have been impossible to play like that
Laaloo Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 How do you say hes not got the desire?the attitude was same when he was scoring runs,and he was loved for it.Then it was carefree,now its deemed careless.can't have both ways imo. He should play Aus series in middle order and see how it goes The attitude was not the same when he played those knocks before. Look at the way he played Steyn and Morkel in South Africa in 2010. First, first session, and the first match of the series, and he was trying to slog both of them. Or the way he played in the England series in England. The old Sehwag would have played more sensibly. He should play the aus series in the middle order but Dhoni and company are too stubborn to do so.
The Outsider Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Problem is not what he has done in the past. He did have his moments overseas too. But it is 5 years' date=' since he did anything off note overseas and to expect him to change of fortunes is asking for too much.[/quote'] I was correcting your statement that he has not done much away from home. His recent failures away are not due to any fundamental flaw in his batting. They are because of him playing too many rash strokes. That's hardly something which cannot be corrected.
Lord Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 The attitude was not the same when he played those knocks before. Look at the way he played Steyn and Morkel in South Africa in 2010. First, first session, and the first match of the series, and he was trying to slog both of them. Or the way he played in the England series in England. The old Sehwag would have played more sensibly. He should play the aus series in the middle order but Dhoni and company are too stubborn to do so. slogging everything?I dont remember much apart from his dismissal by Harris.the first match first session dismissal was a Sehwag favourite cut shot,but got done in by extra bounce.remember there were no practice matches there IIRC.
CG Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 but some times it swings through out day ..idk counter attack is one thing even kp or prior which lord gave example of have very solid defense and can defend too if steyn is on fire kp himself admitted that innings he played in england was only possible cos track was flattish and on tougher tracks it would have been impossible to play like that Lol sehwag does have a good defence .His front foot defence is quite good bat close to pad .You make it seem like sehwag is some tailender.The guy has opened against some great bowlers and been quite good.I think u did not watch his debut innings in sa in middle order.Just check cricinfo.
Laaloo Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 slogging everything?I dont remember much apart from his dismissal by Harris.the first match first session dismissal was a Sehwag favourite cut shot' date='but got done in by extra bounce.remember there were no practice matches there IIRC.[/quote'] I don't remember much either because the thrashings we have received in Australia and England have made me forget all the good that they did. :(( The strokeplays that Sehwag was playing in that first session, weren't very inspiring either.
Old guy Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Lol shewag does have a good defence .His front foot defence is quite good bat close to pad .You make it seem like shewag is some tailender.The guy has opened against some great bowlers and been quite good.I think u did not watch his debut innings in sa in middle order.Just check cricinfo. his defense is ok he doesn ot covers the ball or move feat out side line of of stump or leaves enough balls ...these all things are part of defence! and defense against short ball ..kp or prior can dig in if they want sehwag cant thats my point
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