SLICKR392 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 WTF? Cheating your GF is a crime NOW!!!! :yikes:
vandokkum Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 WTF? Cheating your GF is a crime NOW!!!! :yikes: Yes it is, unless she is hot :giggle:
punjabi_khota Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 WTF? Cheating your GF is a crime NOW!!!! :yikes: How the hell is 'not marrying' = cheating ?:nervous:
The Dark Horse Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Why the f did she consent for sex in the first place. At least she should've got his signature in that case :giggle:
ganeshran Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 You cannot withdraw consent post intercourse. It make no sense to convict someone for rape in this case.
Texy Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 He should've hired someone to bump into her while he would take secret pics where it seemed like she was close to him. Pay someone to send her love emails and txts and then when she accuses him of breaking promise of marriage...he would supply that evidence of her cheating on him to police and claim that is the reason he broke that promise. Bam! case dismissed :aetsch:
DomainK Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 You cannot withdraw consent post intercourse. It make no sense to convict someone for rape in this case. This has been an interesting issue of debate all over the world - "at what point a woman can say no in an act of sex"? Even the developed western countries have been struggling with it. There was a case in the US where a man and a woman met in a bar, had very intimate dance and made out openly, the woman then agreed to go back to the man's place where they got intimate again, they undressed and got into the bed and on the verge of penetration, the woman changed her mind and said NO. The woman later said that the man ignored her "no" and the man said that it was too late and that the penetration was automatic and natural at that point. Experts argued whether it was rape of not. They even made a film on that later.
ganeshran Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 This has been an interesting issue of debate all over the world - "at what point a woman can say no in an act of sex"? Even the developed western countries have been struggling with it. There was a case in the US where a man and a woman met in a bar, had very intimate dance and made out openly, the woman then agreed to go back to the man's place where they got intimate again, they undressed and got into the bed and on the verge of penetration, the woman changed her mind and said NO. The woman later said that the man ignored her "no" and the man said that it was too late and that the penetration was automatic and natural at that point. Experts argued whether it was rape of not. They even made a film on that later. IMO a woman has the right to say no at any point during the intercourse. If she changes her mind just seconds before penetration and leaves the man with a bad case of blue balls, then so be it. No law should allow withdrawal of consent post intercourse. If a promise of marriage was made an not kept, a civilian case of cheating can be filed rather than a case of rape.
DomainK Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I love this forum. :hysterical: First the lawyers have a license to lie in the court and now this. Even the developed west? What chance do we, the inferior primates, have? :nervous: The "license" was not in literal sense. If you believe what I was saying is wrong, you can state your opinion in stead of posting laughing emoticons. You can not take slight exaggerated sarcasm, but you have plenty of sarcastic remarks of your own to offer. Yes, there are developed countries in the west with a somewhat better evolved and more effective legal system. That does not make us primates. I hope you have something better than witty sarcasm to offer.
Crookbond Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 The "license" was not in literal sense. If you believe what I was saying is wrong' date=' you can state your opinion in stead of posting laughing emoticons. [b']You can not take slight exaggerated sarcasm, but you have plenty of sarcastic remarks of your own to offer. Yes, there are developed countries in the west with a somewhat better evolved and more effective legal system. That does not make us primates. I hope you have something better than witty sarcasm to offer. :ditto:
CSK Fan Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Why not? He made a false promise to earn sexual favour from the girl. How's that not cheating? Look at it from a practical viewpoint. You fall in love and want to marry a girl. You propose. She accepts. You are in a relationship now and have sex. Over the next few months/years you fall out of love. You see things about her you dont like or discover something about her. So you change your mind about marrying her. So you commited rape and should be put in jail? This happens in most relationships
Raghav_12 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 All individual cases are different in their own different ways, my point was specific to the person I quoted. The law itself couldn't be more clear, do not use the promise of marriage to extract sexual favours. It's liable to be abused but so are a lot of other laws that cater to peculiar Indian social realities. But those laws are needed and justified for they deal with bigger problems than a few inconveniences men suffer because of them. I am not convinced by your example. Sex stops LONG before the course of a relationship runs out. You do not simply have manic sex one night and terminate the relationship the next morning. I am not saying it doesn't happen...I am saying it's not typical. It is not as easy for a girl to frame a guy as you're making it out to be. The number of times they have had sex, the duration of their relationship, if the relationship was disclosed to families and friends etc would all have a weight in determining the guilt. Hope you read OP before launching yourself in this thread. OP mentions that they were in live-in relationship for 7 years, not some one night stand as you made it sound in your post.
SLICKR392 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Why not? He made a false promise to earn sexual favour from the girl. How's that not cheating? How is that a crime?
CSK Fan Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 All individual cases are different in their own different ways, my point was specific to the person I quoted. The law itself couldn't be more clear, do not use the promise of marriage to extract sexual favours. It's liable to be abused but so are a lot of other laws that cater to peculiar Indian social realities. But those laws are needed and justified for they deal with bigger problems than a few inconveniences men suffer because of them. I am not convinced by your example. Sex stops LONG before the course of a relationship runs out. You do not simply have manic sex one night and terminate the relationship the next morning. I am not saying it doesn't happen...I am saying it's not typical. It is not as easy for a girl to frame a guy as you're making it out to be. The number of times they have had sex, the duration of their relationship, if the relationship was disclosed to families and friends etc would all have a weight in determining the guilt. 1) Most of the cases reported under this law are from relationship which are at least 6 months or more. Its not like the guy promised marriage on day 1, slept with her the same night and didnt call the next day. How many relationships have you seen where the guy and the girl finally marry? 100%? 50%? Most relationship does not turn out the way we want before marriage. But in those cases, the law gives a jilted women ammunation to pay back the guy 2) Why is this law so skewed towards women? Doesnt a jilted guy go through similar emotions? Why do women need 'protection'. As usual we are laying a prize on a woman's virginity and equating a woman's life with having/not having sex. This is one of then primary reasons holding women back in Indian society Women need protection from abuse and assault but not from being jilted. Here men and women should be equal in status
CSK Fan Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 How's murder a crime? How's theft a crime? Hint: Because the law says so. The law, my friend, is an @ss
The Outsider Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 There are multiple reasons. No where in world rape cases are used to settle land disputes, no where in world consensual sex is termed as rape, nowhere in world there is not so much immunity provided to false complainants. You would recall that there a rape case was admitted against Rahul Gandhi last year. If such frivolous cases admitted in the court, conviction rate is going to be low. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_rape-case-against-rahul-gandhi-quashed_1753768 On the other hand this low conviction rate just shows that what would actually be the percentages of genuine cases in country? Fast track courts are exposing some of these numbers. And in cases of rape, out of court settlements would still be calculated in list of trial completed. And what about the huge number of cases which don't get admitted at all? I know it's besides the main point, but I had to bring it up since you are talking about genuine cases. You've got to be living in some other world to not see the kind of discrimination women go through on a daily basis in India in every walk of life. Posting a few isolated cases of the law being misused does not alter the reality. You are talking about a female's word being put higher, there is a substantial number of people in our society who view a girl who had sex before marriage as a $lut and a r@ndi. It's the same society which provides the judiciary system you think values the word of the female. You're living in some alternate reality to think that women are exploiting this or any other law on a large scale basis.
The Outsider Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 2) Why is this law so skewed towards women? Doesnt a jilted guy go through similar emotions? Why do women need 'protection'. As usual we are laying a prize on a woman's virginity and equating a woman's life with having/not having sex. This is one of then primary reasons holding women back in Indian society Women need protection from abuse and assault but not from being jilted. Here men and women should be equal in status You cannot escape the reality while forming laws. Just because you think virginity or having sex before marriage should not be made a big deal out of, the reality is vastly different and the laws are there taking into account this reality. I don't think this kind of situation should be a non bailable offense of rape, but these situations need laws. It's a fact that men make false promises to get laid. It happens even in the west, so I am not saying it's a situation unique to India. But the repurcussions of that are much more in India and women need protection from situations where a false promise of marriage was made with the intent of having sex. Whether you like it or not, the society does not look very kindly upon a woman who has had premarital sex. The same is not true for a man, so there is no reason that a man and woman should have the same status as far as this law is concerned.
coffee_rules Posted February 12, 2013 Author Posted February 12, 2013 Sleeping with women using fake promises is a crime in the case of 1 or 2 night stands. But a woman is so stupid and gullible to be in a relationship for 7 years need not be protected from this situation. This is the case of a jilted person, and the law favors the women in this case. There should be a statute of limitations for this law to be used to book people. If the same happened to a guy dumped by a girl as she found a better alternative, would the police arrest the women? I don't think so.
Clarke Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Sleeping with women using fake promises is a crime in the case of 1 or 2 night stands. But a woman is so stupid and gullible to be in a relationship for 7 years need not be protected from this situation. This is the case of a jilted person, and the law favors the women in this case. There should be a statute of limitations for this law to be used to book people. If the same happened to a guy dumped by a girl as she found a better alternative, would the police arrest the women? I don't think so. :WTF: A woman sleeping with a man she just came to know needs to get her head checked if the guy promises marriage and then boings her.
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