Dhoni overtakes Ganguly's tally of 21 test wins as captain

[Trichromatic]

dhoni`s average is 38 odd not 40.it can take a year to improve ur average by even 1 if u have played 110+ innings.with away tours coming and his terrible technique against new ball and swing that avg will come down.

39.91 is not 38 odd.

[Crookbond]

Too bad people don't realise the worth of the greatest captain we ever had and ask for his head when he gets whitewashed in meaningless away tours.

:giggle:

[Ultimate_Game]

dhoni`s average is 38 odd not 40.it can take a year to improve ur average by even 1 if u have played 110+ innings.with away tours coming and his terrible technique against new ball and swing that avg will come down.

His average is closer to 40, not "38 odd" and pls go check his stats as a batsman as a captain compared to others. You will be surprised as his stats are actually better than some specialist batsmen who captained India.

so there you admit that Dhoni wasn't the first one to win WC at home?? You can't have this argument both ways.

Feel free to go back in the thread and I've posted links and info regarding the same.

I can understand this argument for batting and bowling. But for keeping how does the strength of opposition matter? In you opinion' date=' should't the quality of dismissals be the sole criteria? Unlike batting or bowling, a tough catch /stumping remains as easy / tough irrespective of the batsman involved.[/quote'] Apparently in Dhoni's case, an edge off the bat of opposition is easy or difficult to catch depending on "strength of opposition" In 96 Pak was a poor odi side? Really?? Do you know they were 2nd favorites just behind SA? They had Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq Ahmed at the top of their game and likes of Sohail, Anwar and Inzi in the batting lineup. Also, what about 92 WC in Aus or 2003 WC in 2003? Were they "poor" sides too? Or is it we are trying to demean and run down the WC win, which we managed to win after a gap of 30 years, just to prove Dhoni is the "worst captain we ever had"???

[diga]

His average is closer to 40, not "38 odd" and pls go check his stats as a batsman as a captain compared to others. You will be surprised as his stats are actually better than some specialist batsmen who captained India. Feel free to go back in the thread and I've posted links and info regarding the same. Apparently in Dhoni's case, an edge off the bat of opposition is easy or difficult to catch depending on "strength of opposition" In 96 Pak was a poor odi side? Really?? Do you know they were 2nd favorites just behind SA? They had Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq Ahmed at the top of their game and likes of Sohail, Anwar and Inzi in the batting lineup. Also, what about 92 WC in Aus or 2003 WC in 2003? Were they "poor" sides too? Or is it we are trying to demean and run down the WC win, which we managed to win after a gap of 30 years, just to prove Dhoni is the "worst captain we ever had"???

Too bad the argument meanders to Dhoni's ODI exploits when we should be solely focussing on his test captaincy

[Raghav_12]

His average is closer to 40, not "38 odd" and pls go check his stats as a batsman as a captain compared to others. You will be surprised as his stats are actually better than some specialist batsmen who captained India. Feel free to go back in the thread and I've posted links and info regarding the same. Apparently in Dhoni's case, an edge off the bat of opposition is easy or difficult to catch depending on "strength of opposition" In 96 Pak was a poor odi side? Really?? Do you know they were 2nd favorites just behind SA? They had Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq Ahmed at the top of their game and likes of Sohail, Anwar and Inzi in the batting lineup. Also, what about 92 WC in Aus or 2003 WC in 2003? Were they "poor" sides too? Or is it we are trying to demean and run down the WC win, which we managed to win after a gap of 30 years, just to prove Dhoni is the "worst captain we ever had"???

do you even read anything before writing? that's what I wrote in my post.

92 - Admit that Australia was hot contender

[adi B]

39.91 is not 38 odd.

oh feck! i forgot the 224,must have increased the avg ,rest of the predictions in the post will come true

[adi B]

Too bad people don't realise the worth of the greatest captain we ever had and ask for his head when he gets whitewashed in meaningless away tours.

:cantstop:

[The Outsider]

Of course it was the WI lineup which was better. But did India play only the finals that you are comparing the finalists? And if winning the WC at home is not considered as an achievement' date=' then what else is? None of the teams in the past have been able to do it, Dhoni is the first captain ever to win a WC at home and also be the Man of the match. I can't believe that you are trying to demean that WC win to prove that Dhoni is the worst captain ever.[/quote'] Winning the World Cup is an achievement, but just because Dhoni happened to be captain when the Indian team won the World Cup does not mean it's some big achievement of Dhoni. The dumbass kept playing Chawla to boost his confidence and even in the finals kept bowling Sreesanth when he was getting hammered and many other such daft decisions. Yeah, he played a good innings in the final but that was his only positive contribution in the entire tournament. How can that be equated to the role Kapil played in the '83 World Cup? The intent is not to demean the World Cup win, but to put a fair value of the role Dhoni played in the World Cup - if you make a list of positives and negatives by Dhoni in the World Cup the negatives would easily outscore the positives.

[I6MTW]

At the end of his test career Dhoni will have 50 average. Dhoni seems to have found out the way of test cricket and adapted to it.

[The Outsider]

I can understand this argument for batting and bowling. But for keeping how does the strength of opposition matter? In you opinion' date=' should't the quality of dismissals be the sole criteria? Unlike batting or bowling, a tough catch /stumping remains as easy / tough irrespective of the batsman involved.[/quote'] Why can't he replicate the effort against teams of the class of Australia and West Indies against whom Ganguly and Kapil led from the front? When the number 1 ranking was at stake in England he put up the most pitiful wicketkeeping performance in recent memory rivaling Kamran Akmal. In fact, in the latest test his keeping was complete crap following on from the last 2 years of largely crap keeping. But due to Srini uncle his place remains unquestionable. In a perverse way, I am glad because the away schedule over the next two years will make him by far the most losingest captain in Indian history and then the numbers and stats will also reflect his true aukaat as captain.

[Number]

Winning the World Cup is an achievement' date=' but just because Dhoni happened to be captain when the [b']Indian team won the World Cup does not mean it's some big achievement of Dhoni. The dumbass kept playing Chawla to boost his confidence and even in the finals kept bowling Sreesanth when he was getting hammered and many other such daft decisions. Yeah, he played a good innings in the final but that was his only positive contribution in the entire tournament. How can that be equated to the role Kapil played in the '83 World Cup? The intent is not to demean the World Cup win, but to put a fair value of the role Dhoni played in the World Cup - if you make a list of positives and negatives by Dhoni in the World Cup the negatives would easily outscore the positives.

What about 2007 world cup which he won ?

[Ultimate_Game]

do you even read anything before writing? that's what I wrote in my post.

My point is that barring 99 and 2007 WCs, home team was a top 3 contender every time - in 75, 79 & 83 Eng was behind WI and at par with Aus while reaching 1 final and 2 semis, in 87 Pak was a hot favorite with India 2nd in line, in 92 Aus were clear favorites, in 96 Pak was a favorite behind SA, in 2003 SA were contenders along with Aus. Still none of them could win so how exactly is winning at home for the 1st time in 2011 an ordinary achievement?

Too bad the argument meanders to Dhoni's ODI exploits when we should be solely focussing on his test captaincy

Once again, do you think Dhoni is the "worst Test captain we ever had"? Even behind the likes of Bedi, Azhar and other Indian captains?

[The Outsider]

39.91 is not 38 odd.

That's a temporary aberration. It will be closer to 35 than 40 when we are done with the away schedule over the next two years.

[The Outsider]

What about 2007 world cup which he won ?

India were knocked out in the group phase of the 2007 World Cup.

[The Outsider]

What! Sri Lanka played the knockouts in India and Pak and SL hosted very less matches. India under Dhoni was the first team to lift the WC at home.

So, Pakistan were not host in '87 when the final was played in India and India were not hosts in '96 when the final was played in Pakistan? Or NZ were not hosts in '92 when the final was played in Australia?

[I6MTW]

Dhoni has only captained the 2011 CWC so we do not know how we will captain the side in 2015 overseas. He also won us the 07 t20 world cup.

[carnish]

Dhoni has only captained the 2011 CWC so we do not know how we will captain the side in 2015 overseas. He also won us the 07 t20 world cup.

And after 07 T20 , he lost another 3 T20 tournaments without even making to the semis. There are positives but we should never say that Dhoni is a good captain. He is just one of the best we have at this stage or had in the past.

[rkt.india]

That's a temporary aberration. It will be closer to 35 than 40 when we are done with the away schedule over the next two years.

All of them lose their current average in that cycle.

[adi B]

What about 2007 world cup which he won ?

thats world t20 not a world cup,what about the consecutive super 8 exits.does winning a single cup overshadows his repeated failiures in the successive editions. tbh this is a test related thread why bring t20?

[I6MTW]

Then why also bring in his CWC captaincy performances and odi captaincy performances. Just stick to tests. We will know about his Test World Cup performance when he captains the side in 2017.