Pioneer Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 People should have the freedom to follow whichever religion or no religion at all and governments should back this freedom. I am a Pakistani and I am an athiest. With that being said the Hindu population of Pakistan (not including Bangladesh) hasn't changed much over the years and has hovered around 2%. As per wikipedia ->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan "In 1951, Hindus constituted 22 percent of the Pakistani population and the Hindu population was concentrated in East Pakistan which later became Bangladesh, while the Hindu population in West Pakistan was less than 2%.[11][4] By 1998, the proportion of Hindus was down to around 1.7 percent." Is this true? I have come to believe from ICF that Pakistan's Hindu population has been mercilessly and forcefully shrunk to the current 2~ % from 22%. But if the majority were from East Pak, then that makes sense right ? I may be wrong so do correct me if need be. Though in no way whatsoever do I condone the forced conversions that do take place, absolutely disgusting. Cannot wait for the downfall of the mullahs.
Muloghonto Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Pre-partition british census shows that hindu population of pakistan, minus bd stood at approx. 10% and sikh population stood at 8% Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
The Outsider Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 I wrote a blog about the demographic shifts around partition by going through various sources and putting them together. For those interested: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/Blog//node/39 There don't seem to be many credible accounts and demographic data of India and Pakistan after partition and it's associated mass migration was over, at least readily available ones on the web. Curious on the topic, the blog presents some digging into of research and news articles from that time to piece together some of the scattered information. According to the 1941 census, the total population of unified India was 389.0 million. Muslim population was pegged at 94.5 million(24.3%). Hindu population was 270.2 million(69.5%). The basis of partition was concentrated areas of Muslim population, primarily in North West India and East India. Out of 435 districts in India, there were 76 with Muslim majority population and contained around 60% of the total Muslim population of India. These two clusters ultimately formed Pakistan. The two clusters which formed Pakistan did not contain any Hindu majority districts. There were some residual Muslim majority districts which formed part of India like Kashmir and Kapurthala. Taking the 1941 census baseline, Pakistan was awarded areas which included 53.8 million Muslims or 57% of the total Muslim population. However, these regions awarded to Pakistan also contained 16.3 million non Muslims forming 23.3% of the region which became Pakistan. The only way to reconcile the notion of Pakistan being a religiously homogeneous state would need a mass migration of populations never before seen in history. 20 million non Muslims and Muslims would have to be exchanged between India and Pakistan resulting in 40 million people migrating. The immediate aftermath of partition was not quite as dramatic as 40 million people exchanging places, but estimates suggest 6 million Muslims entered West Pakistan and 5 million non Muslims left it till 1949, when the first and most violent wave of migration was over. The numbers on the Eastern border were lower, with an estimated 1 million crossings either way. By extrapolating the numbers from the 1941 census to 1949, it can be reliably said that in 1949 when the first, largest, and most violent migrations were over the demographics of India and Pakistan were as follows : India estimated demographics in 1949 - Total population : 355.2 million. Muslims : 10.9% Pakistan estimated demographics in 1949 - Total population : 79.5 million. Muslims : 84.6% Another question to address is the distribution of Muslims and non Muslims across East and West Pakistan before and after partition. According to the 1941 census, the region which became East Pakistan had a total population of 41.9 million and West Pakistan a population of 28.2 million. In East Pakistan the percentage of non Muslim population before partition was 27.9% numbering 11.7 million. West Pakistan had 19.9% non Muslims totaling 5.6 million. Extrapolating to 1949, gives 13.1 million and 6.3 million non Muslims in East and West Pakistan respectively if there was no mass migration. It is a reasonable estimate to say that after the first wave of mass migration till 1949, the percentage of non Muslim population in : 1. West Pakistan : 4.0% of a total population of 32.6 million were non Muslims in 1949 2. East Pakistan : 25.8% of a total population of 46.9 million were non Muslims in 1949 Migration of non Muslims continued till quite late from East Pakistan in particular, over the next decade which created more demographic shifts. I'll write about these and few more details in a later blog. References : 1. India and Pakistan: The Demography of Partition Author(s): Kingsley Davis Source: Pacific Affairs, Vol. 22, No. 3 (Sep., 1949), pp. 254-264 2. The Distribution of Religious Communities in India Author(s): John E. Brush Source: Annals of the Association of American Geographers, Vol. 39, No. 2 (Jun., 1949), pp. 81 -98 3. The Partition of the Punjab and of Bengal Author(s): O. H. K. Spate Source: The Geographical Journal, Vol. 110, No. 4/6 (Oct. - Dec., 1947), pp. 201-218 4. The Partition of India and the Prospects of Pakistan Author(s): O. H. K. Spate Source: Geographical Review, Vol. 38, No. 1 (Jan., 1948), pp. 5-29
Pioneer Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks Outsider, that was quite informative
Iconoclast Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 1. West Pakistan : 4.0% of a total population of 32.6 million were non Muslims in 1949 And that is pretty much what it is now. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation going around on this subject so thank you for reposting your analysis.
Stuge Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 There's a saying in Arabic : a Muslim man's honor is between the legs of his females(relatives is the context). That yes you ask you need to know Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 http://womanstats.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/the-honor-of-a-man-lies-between-the-legs-of-a-woman/ :hmmmm:
gattaca Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 And that is pretty much what it is now. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation going around on this subject so thank you for reposting your analysis. This news is posted in dawn as well. so are you saying even pakistani media is conspiring ?
randomGuy Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 According to the 1941 census, the total population of unified India was 389.0 million. Muslim population was pegged at 94.5 million(24.3%). Hindu population was 270.2 million(69.5%). Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 155 crore Total Muslims in Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 50.3 Crore It is 32.4% now. Aside from diff. in fertility rates, I do believe many conversions have taken place. My grandparents were paki hindus, migrated from Pak. during partition , now when I google my surname, wikipedia tells its a clan of Muslim Rajputs. (I dont believe in caste BS but would've never guessed I could be from rajput caste).
gattaca Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 155 crore Total Muslims in Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 50.3 Crore It is 32.4% now. Aside from diff. in fertility rates, I do believe many conversions have taken place. My grandparents were paki hindus, migrated from Pak. during partition , now when I google my surname, wikipedia tells its a clan of Muslim Rajputs. (I dont believe in caste BS but would've never guessed I could be from rajput caste). Reallly muslim rajput. Their is something like that.
Gunner Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 155 crore Total Muslims in Indian+Pak+Bdesh = 50.3 Crore It is 32.4% now. Aside from diff. in fertility rates, I do believe many conversions have taken place. My grandparents were paki hindus, migrated from Pak. during partition , now when I google my surname, wikipedia tells its a clan of Muslim Rajputs. (I dont believe in caste BS but would've never guessed I could be from rajput caste). What Rajput clan do you belong to?
coffee_rules Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 And that is pretty much what it is now. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation going around on this subject so thank you for reposting your analysis. While there was overall population growth, how do you account for percentage of Hindus being the same? The increase population numbers shauld have caused an increase in the percentages as well, just look at the percentage of muslims increasing in India. It can't be all migration when there is widespread coverage of minority condition in Pakistan!
Gunner Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Reallly muslim rajput. Their is something like that. Exactly, Muslim Rajput is an oxymoron.
CSK Fan Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 While there was overall population growth' date=' how do you account for percentage of Hindus being the same? The increase population numbers shauld have caused an increase in the percentages as well, just look at the percentage of muslims increasing in India. It can't be all migration when there is widespread coverage of minority condition in Pakistan![/quote'] Lo, thats not how percentages work
randomGuy Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 http://www.census.gov.pk/Religion.htm Looks like Hindu n Christian, both are 1.6%. Conversions Do not seem to be happening at large scale but may be going on due to indirect coercion.
gattaca Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 And that is pretty much what it is now. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation going around on this subject so thank you for reposting your analysis. http://www.census.gov.pk/Religion.htm Looks like Hindu n Christian, both are 1.6%. Conversions Do not seem to be happening at large scale but may be going on due to indirect coercion. So according to Outy analysis it was 4 % after pakistan was formed. 1.6 % is less than half then that includes Christians as well.
Muloghonto Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Reallly muslim rajput. Their is something like that. There actually are Muslim tapirs rajputs. The rulers of bhawalpur were rajputs who converted to Islam. So did the rajput rulers of sindh. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
Number Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Exactly' date=' Muslim Rajput is an oxymoron.[/quote'] Rajputs who converted to Islam are Muslims Rajputs. Rana Naved, Shakoor Rana, Rao Iftikhar, Bilawal Bhatti etc.. There are lots of common surnames in Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims in Jatts, Khatris, Rajputs, Gujjars caste. Bhatti, Rana, Sandhu, Vohra, Uppal.
randomGuy Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 So according to Outy analysis it was 4 % after pakistan was formed. 1.6 % is less than half then that includes Christians as well. 1.6 each, total 3.2
gattaca Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 1.6 each' date=' total 3.2[/quote'] Still from 4 % to 2 %.
randomGuy Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Still from 4 % to 2 %. 1. West Pakistan : 4.0% of a total population of 32.6 million were non Muslims in 1949 4% is total non-muslim. means essentially hindu + christrian. (As no. of sikhs is negligible and Ahmedi may have been considered muslim back then)
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