Muloghonto Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 As usual Mugalhonto posts trash. He don't realize off break bowlers bowlinbg to left handers gives the same challnge. It is well known that picking doosra is difficult than picking googly because the release changes very little. Keeping to quality fast bowling is ALWAYS easy than keeping fast wayward bowling' date=' or fast un orthodox bowling, which SL had quite a bit. As usual cannot expect anything other than drivel from you.[/quote'] Err no, offies do not provide the same challenge because it doesnt matter if you are a rightie or leftoe wktkeeper, yoir positipn os almost the same. Offies provide the same prob for wktkeepers when batsman is leftie but they are 20% of the batsmen. 80% are righties Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment
thongale Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Lefies may be 20%, but some one lie Gilchrist only kept to spin about 25% of time, while for Sanga it was 75% of the time, and on pitches which spin more as well. That is why I think SC wicket keepers are better skilled than others. Keeping to pacies is easy. The most difficult to keep is to fast spinners who don't put lot's of over spin on the ball, because it dips and bounces on the keeper. The two examples are Kumble and Afridi. Offies who bowl doosra are ALWAYS difficult to pick than leg spinners. Stating Dhoni was way better keeper than Sanga is another meh statement of yours. Sanga is a better keeper than Dhoni all round, but we have world's best keeper playing tests, adn Sanga is not needed to keep in such situations. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Lefies may be 20%, but some one lie Gilchrist only kept to spin about 25% of time, while for Sanga it was 75% of the time, and on pitches which spin more as well. That is why I think SC wicket keepers are better skilled than others. Keeping to pacies is easy. The most difficult to keep is to fast spinners who don't put lot's of over spin on the ball, because it dips and bounces on the keeper. The two examples are Kumble and Afridi. Offies who bowl doosra are ALWAYS difficult to pick than leg spinners. Stating Dhoni was way better keeper than Sanga is another meh statement of yours. Sanga is a better keeper than Dhoni all round, but we have world's best keeper playing tests, adn Sanga is not needed to keep in such situations. Keeping to express men is a different skillset than spinners. Yes, its easier to keep to pacers but keeping to leg spinners is the hardest because leg spinners have mor variations than offies and the mid and off line makes it much harder to sight them against righties. Kumble was the hardest bowler to keep to, due to his flipper being such a kicker. Sanga seriously is not in dhonis class as a keeper. Hes not as bad as akmal but not much better either. Imo, dravid was a comparable keeper to sanga. But allround, the gap,between dhoni and sanga is almost as big as the gap between healey and prior. Dhoni is distinctly better a keeper than sanga. Sanga's keeping is of the same value as sachin or richards bowling . Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment
kirisatha96 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just because you can keep at an average level (which is what Sanga was- an average keeper. Definitely not in the better half of keepers going around) does not make you a better player than a significantly better batsman (sachin)' date=' who was also a very good utility bowler in the ODIs. Sachin's bowling = sanga's keeping.[/quote'] Are you mad? Do you even know how much energy is required by someone to keep in a match? Let alone do it while being expected to play for the majority of an innings which is Sanga does. Being a wicket keeper is hard work. Especially when you have to keep to someone like Murali for the much of a decade. Sachin just bowls a few part time spinner overs where Sanga is actively doing something EVERY BALL. Link to comment
kirisatha96 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Keeping to express men is a different skillset than spinners. Yes, its easier to keep to pacers but keeping to leg spinners is the hardest because leg spinners have mor variations than offies and the mid and off line makes it much harder to sight them against righties. Kumble was the hardest bowler to keep to, due to his flipper being such a kicker. Sanga seriously is not in dhonis class as a keeper. Hes not as bad as akmal but not much better either. Imo, dravid was a comparable keeper to sanga. But allround, the gap,between dhoni and sanga is almost as big as the gap between healey and prior. Dhoni is distinctly better a keeper than sanga. Sanga's keeping is of the same value as sachin or richards bowling . Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 Are you forgetting Murali? Link to comment
kirisatha96 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Let me ask this...who started this Sachin comparison? Comparing him to Sanga is nonsense. That's like comparing Herath with Ashwin. Link to comment
Cricket_Hacker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Let me ask this...who started this Sachin comparison? Comparing him to Sanga is nonsense. That's like comparing Herath with Ashwin. Link to comment
Marut Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Lefies may be 20%, but some one lie Gilchrist only kept to spin about 25% of time, while for Sanga it was 75% of the time, and on pitches which spin more as well. That is why I think SC wicket keepers are better skilled than others. Keeping to pacies is easy. The most difficult to keep is to fast spinners who don't put lot's of over spin on the ball, because it dips and bounces on the keeper. The two examples are Kumble and Afridi. Offies who bowl doosra are ALWAYS difficult to pick than leg spinners. Stating Dhoni was way better keeper than Sanga is another meh statement of yours. Sanga is a better keeper than Dhoni all round, but we have world's best keeper playing tests, adn Sanga is not needed to keep in such situations. Dhoni is easily the best wicket keeper in the world. His occasional lapses are due to the tremendous workload - he has captained the team in three formats, and is the wicket keeper in three formats for eight years now. Add to this captaincy and keeping for six weeks during the gruelling Indian summer. Dhoni > Prasanna > Sanga Link to comment
CricketWise Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Definitely an all time great. Could play in any condition and on any wicket. His 4 consecutive tons in the current WC is a testimonial to his greatness. He is a genius with the bat, a man who freaks out opposition bowlers. Saw him live at the Wankhede in the 2011 WC and he made a serene century against the Kiwis, super player! Link to comment
Linux_Mj Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 the bottom line is Indian cricket fans didn't want to give credit to the man (sanga) for his achievements in cricket. " dravid was a comparable keeper to sanga as a keeper" :hysterical: Kidding me any how soon no 1 gonna compare Sanga with others, coz he already announce his retirement from ODI & Test. :hatsoff: Link to comment
putrevus Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Now we are making Sachin as some great bowler, he was a part timer who could bowl nothing more than that. Sanga has kept wickets adequately,his WK skills never were a hindrance for his team that's all you can ask from a major batsman of the team, Healy was a far better WK than Gilly but overall package it was not even close between them. Sanga might not have started as some Prodigy, but he sure has turned into one the greatest batsmen ever to have played this game. Mahela was more a batting prodigy from the beginning but what Sanga has done in his later half of his career is nothing short of a miracle and has left Mahela way back. As the saying goes it is not how you start , it is how you finish, just like Kallis, Sanga has become one of the greatest. Link to comment
Gambit Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 To be counted in the elite tier below Bradman comprising say Sobers, Richards, Tendulkar and Lara you cannot average below 40 in more than 2 nations. Sangakarra averages less than 40 in India, South Africa and West Indies. He's marginal in England with an average of 41. He has a mere 7 100s outside Asia from and he's not a case like Bradman who only played against 3 nations and hence not many 100s outside Asia. If he's proposed to be greater or equal to Tendulkar/Lara, he should have done better than this. Link to comment
goose Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Answer me one question. How many batting records did Tendulkar hold in 2001 when he was being routinely compared to Bradman? What were these batting feats? Was it most number of runs? Most number of 100s? Highest ever average? Anyone? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/1194879.stm HOW MANY? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? Link to comment
sweetaskandy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Sanga is the best cricketer since Viv Richards. He is a complete batsman and a very good keeper - doing both is tremendous work. As for the Sachin issue: - in tests I rank them as: Lara, Ponting, Sanga, Sachin, Kallis In ODIs: Ponting, Sachin, Sanga, Lara, Kallis. This is based on sheer brilliance of play and match winning ability. Link to comment
FischerTal Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 In tests, sanga is a notch below Lara and tendulkar. More in the ponting mould. In ODIs, he isn't even up for consideration among the greatest. Link to comment
sweetaskandy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Ponting was the most dominant bat of the era. He may be #1 in both. Did it when it mattered like 2003 WC. Remember that? :yay: Link to comment
HippoSucks Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Ponting was the most dominant bat of the era. He may be #1 in both. Did it when it mattered like 2003 WC. Remember that? :yay: Ponting will always remain in a group below the likes of Sachin, Lara, Richards etc, along with Sangakarra. Some match winning innings can't make a great batsman into a legendary one. Link to comment
Sachin=GOD Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Ponting was the most dominant bat of the era. He may be #1 in both. Did it when it mattered like 2003 WC. Remember that? :yay: Ponting was a mediocre player for about 2/3rd of his career and a brilliant one for around 53 tests - http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1705234&postcount=232 Overall not ATG certainly. Link to comment
sweetaskandy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Ave of 43 is not mediocre - rather solid batsman band. So he was solud then the best in decades and then faded. Point? Link to comment
sweetaskandy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 53 tests is amazing length for a peak - ave 75 is superman stuff. Just confirms he is the best. Link to comment
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