Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rollingstoned]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Cummins Starc Hazal/Boland besides being great have decades of experience

Here we can't compare there strength and stamina,it's unmatched even by Australia standards

What were we thinking after Ishant,Umesh,Shami?

We just wanted random A,B,C to just come and bowl India to victory?

The above name just happened to Indian cricket just like Bumrah happened,that too together at a time

We must thank our stars,that they aligned and blessed us with the pace pool which will be etched in our memories as our Golden period of fast bowling

BCCI has no role in it,they have all left it to destiny

When the stars will again align maybe in next 45-50 years we'll get again 2-3 great pacers playing together for India

Let's just sit back and wait for the moment or let our upcoming generation wait

No roadmap for strength and conditioning program ,just go by robotics reading of stats and play bowlers accordingly

No development programs for budding pacers,no wonder we loose so many cricketers enroute other boards would have encashed

Indian domestic pacers need 3-4 yrs of International cricket to come up to speed on avg. Even then they may not quite be good enough but likes of Bumrah are extreme exceptions in taking to it like duck to water. For the rest we have to be patient. ishant took even longer.

[MK55]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Cummins Starc Hazal/Boland besides being great have decades of experience

Here we can't compare there strength and stamina,it's unmatched even by Australia standards

What were we thinking after Ishant,Umesh,Shami?

We just wanted random A,B,C to just come and bowl India to victory?

The above name just happened to Indian cricket just like Bumrah happened,that too together at a time

We must thank our stars,that they aligned and blessed us with the pace pool which will be etched in our memories as our Golden period of fast bowling

BCCI has no role in it,they have all left it to destiny

When the stars will again align maybe in next 45-50 years we'll get again 2-3 great pacers playing together for India

Let's just sit back and wait for the moment or let our upcoming generation wait

No roadmap for strength and conditioning program ,just go by robotics reading of stats and play bowlers accordingly

No development programs for budding pacers,no wonder we loose so many cricketers enroute other boards would have encashed

Shouid have given more chances to Rana. Umran should have got chances in A games.
 

That moron Agarkar and with Rohit input, Umran got discarded from the national team to not getting chances literally anywhere. 

[ungboysj]

I think krishna has shown enough to be persisted with he needs confidence and backing

 

He took out most top order batsman that's a rare quality for indian pacer not named bumrah

[MK55]

Btw one good news is that Harsha said that Bumrah told him he’s nowhere close to his fastest this series. He told him that he can crank it up but the wickets are so conducive that he dint need to do that.

I don’t completely agree what he says but still good signs. 

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Btw one good news is that Harsha said that Bumrah told him he’s nowhere close to his fastest this series. He told him that he can crank it up but the wickets are so conducive that he dint need to do that.

I don’t completely agree what he says but still good signs. 

He didn't crank it, and still got injured. probably that's good, because he cranked it, he would have broken down sooner

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, the don said:

Bumrah should quit T20 cricket for Tests and WC. Dude is GOAT level atm. Doesnt want injuries to ruin it.

T20 bowling is the easiest thing for a fast bowler. It's the tests that breaks them. 

[MK55]

9 minutes ago, ungboysj said:

I think krishna has shown enough to be persisted with he needs confidence and backing

 

He took out most top order batsman that's a rare quality for indian pacer not named bumrah

On this wicket it would be embarrassing to not get those wickets. Literally the first thing Bumrah said was that he missed bowling on the spiciest track in this series. But yeah, he should be persisted for now. 
Needs a lot improvement on his full balls and average pace. Morne needs to do something.

[Vijy]

17 minutes ago, the don said:

Bumrah should quit T20 cricket for Tests and WC. Dude is GOAT level atm. Doesnt want injuries to ruin it.

he's not gonna quit the major money maker

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, MK55 said:

On this wicket it would be embarrassing to not get those wickets. Literally the first thing Bumrah said was that he missed bowling on the spiciest track in this series. But yeah, he should be persisted for now. 
Needs a lot improvement on his full balls and average pace. Morne needs to do something.

and also needs to work on his line. he was all over the place in 2nd innings

[CG]

Shami has to be we missed him 

[MK55]

Why can’t we find a guy with the fitness of Starc lol. Was bowling 145k average in most of his spells in the 4th test match even when he had an injury scare just some days back.

He’s rarely injured anyways. Hopefully stays that way. 

[MK55]

3 minutes ago, CG said:

Shami has to be we missed him 

Shami is done. He has a chronic knee problem. If one year rehab is not helping, at this age it’s just over. The sooner he and everybody

accepts that, the better.

 

He can focus on the shorter formats - not at the international level as we would want to groom and give opportunities to the next generation of bowlers now. But yeah he can be a back up over there.

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Why can’t we find a guy with the fitness of Starc lol. Was bowling 145k average in most of his spells in the 4th test match even when he had an injury scare just some days back.

He’s rarely injured anyways. Hopefully stays that way. 

weak Indian bodies cannot do that.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, MK55 said:

Shami is done. He has a chronic knee problem. If one year rehab is not helping, at this age it’s just over. The sooner he and everybody

accepts that, the better.

 

He can focus on the shorter formats - not at the international level as we would want to groom and give opportunities to the next generation of bowlers now. But yeah he can be a back up over there.

yeah, he's done with in tests.

[Nikhil_cric]

Bumrah has the highest release point among our main bowlers(Prasidh is not a regular) and that's just not good enough.  

 

Even Mohammad Abbas has a release point higher than our bowlers. 

 

 

We need taller bowlers.   As simple as that. 

[MK55]

5 minutes ago, Vijy said:

weak Indian bodies cannot do that.

Umesh was quite fit n maintained his pace almost for his entire career. Ishant in his later years after the Sri Lanka tour of 2015/16 maintained good fitness, pace and bounce for a long period.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Umesh was quite fit n maintained his pace almost for his entire career. Ishant in his later years after the Sri Lanka tour of 2015/16 maintained good fitness, pace and bounce for a long period.

there are exceptions than the norm. most indian pacers came in at 140 and resorted to trundling at 125-130 a few years thereafter

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bumrah has the highest release point among our main bowlers(Prasidh is not a regular) and that's just not good enough.  

 

Even Mohammad Abbas has a release point higher than our bowlers. 

 

 

We need taller bowlers.   As simple as that. 

We need variety,in SENA atleast 2 should be tall and bouncy not floaty

Simarjeet a domestic bowler who is not very tall if you compare it with tall pacers of SENA still extracts discomforting bounce

He was playing domestics regularly 2-3 seasons ago

We need to be vigilant if we are serious about winning things other than IPL,just don't go by stats alone

He should have been on the radar,we were not patient enough with Kuldeep Sen,he has that bounce and hard lengths

How would you get those if you drop them abruptly?no team barring SA (who literally produce tall bouncy bowlers like rabbits)can afford dropping those kind of bowlers

[Vijy]

6 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bumrah has the highest release point among our main bowlers(Prasidh is not a regular) and that's just not good enough.  

 

Even Mohammad Abbas has a release point higher than our bowlers. 

 

 

We need taller bowlers.   As simple as that. 

need nishant saranu to develop properly

[Nikhil_cric]

4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

We need variety,in SENA atleast 2 should be tall and bouncy not floaty

Simarjeet a domestic bowler who is not very tall if you compare it with tall pacers of SENA still extracts discomforting bounce

He was playing domestics regularly 2-3 seasons ago

We need to be vigilant if we are serious about winning things other than IPL,just don't go by stats alone

He should have been on the radar,we were not patient enough with Kuldeep Sen,he has that bounce and hard lengths

How would you get those if you drop them abruptly?no team barring SA (who literally produce tall bouncy bowlers like rabbits)can afford dropping those kind of bowlers

Even in limited overs cricket , we need that variety. 

 

Can't have an attack of Bumrah, Shami and Siraj anymore.