Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

I still dont believe Thompson from Australia bowled at 160.6km/hr

 

IIRC the speed guns were different back in the day.

Lets assume Holding was 145+ kmph bowler and batters always said Jeff was way faster then he should have been 150 kmph.

 

So theoretically he may have gone pass 155 kmph.

 

Speedometers are funny some time say if Bowler like Bhuvi clocks 150 kmph broadcaster or who ever will tell there was a glitch, but if bowler like Wood may bowl 160 kmph there will be no clarfication.

 

Sami (Pak intnl) bowled few clocking 163 kmph but those were not recognized, he tells this v.often. He was express at one point in time matching Akthar in term of pace.

During one tour Ind batters were telling Sami feels faster.

[tapandrun]

16 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Tanzim is a very good bowler, could become the best pacer from bangladesh.

BD has 2/3 more quicks Nahid Rana played in BPL and then there was another left arm fast.

 

Even though they are spin heavy side and perfer rank turners at home, they manage to find some good quicks.

 

Murtaza, Taskin, Ruber, Mustafiz etc.

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, SRT100 said:

I still dont believe Thompson from Australia bowled at 160.6km/hr

 

IIRC the speed guns were different back in the day.

I imagine that thompson did, based on my own viewing. moreover, he was the one people said was by far the fastest -- a freak even compared to WI pacers. so I would think that he was hitting close to 160 at his very peak.

 

of course, I don't buy the rubbish that he was bowling 170 as rod marsh, etc claimed. or that mohd zahid was bowling 170 as PeePee claimed

[tapandrun]

29 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I imagine that thompson did, based on my own viewing. moreover, he was the one people said was by far the fastest -- a freak even compared to WI pacers. so I would think that he was hitting close to 160 at his very peak.

 

of course, I don't buy the rubbish that he was bowling 170 as rod marsh, etc claimed. or that mohd zahid was bowling 170 as PeePee claimed

not heard anyone else taking abt zahid other then 2/3 Pak players. he may have been in same range as shoib, lee and tait.

 

Jeff would have been in same range. 

 

 

 

 

[MediumPacer]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

BD has 2/3 more quicks Nahid Rana played in BPL and then there was another left arm fast.

 

Even though they are spin heavy side and perfer rank turners at home, they manage to find some good quicks.

 

Murtaza, Taskin, Ruber, Mustafiz etc.

Havent seen them.

 

Tanzim looks the best to me among their newer ones,his style of bowling is suited for asian conditions,can bat as well so quite a good option .

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

I imagine that thompson did, based on my own viewing. moreover, he was the one people said was by far the fastest -- a freak even compared to WI pacers. so I would think that he was hitting close to 160 at his very peak.

 

of course, I don't buy the rubbish that he was bowling 170 as rod marsh, etc claimed. or that mohd zahid was bowling 170 as PeePee claimed

The speed test of 1975 & 1976 was not 100% foolproof IMO.

Jeff Thomson clocked 160, Andy Roberts 159, Lilee 155

 

Suddenly 3 years down the line in 1979..Thomson was 148, Roberts 138 & Lilee 136. Doesn't seems correct to me.

 

If we average out the 2 extremes..Thomson's peak pace can be at 154, Roberts at 148 & Lilee at 145..it seems more accurate.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by singhvivek141

[SRT100]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

I imagine that thompson did, based on my own viewing. moreover, he was the one people said was by far the fastest -- a freak even compared to WI pacers. so I would think that he was hitting close to 160 at his very peak.

 

of course, I don't buy the rubbish that he was bowling 170 as rod marsh, etc claimed. or that mohd zahid was bowling 170 as PeePee claimed

 

Im sure there is even analysis of his speed using modern technology to determine his actual speed.

Yes he was fast, but 160, I just dont think so.

I actually though Andy Roberts bowled faster. He was clocked at 159

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

The speed test of 1975 & 1976 was not 100% foolproof IMO.

Jeff Thomson clocked 160, Andy Roberts 159, Lilee 155

 

Suddenly 3 years down the line in 1979..Thomson was 148, Roberts 138 & Lilee 136. Doesn't seems correct to me.

 

If we average out the 2 extremes..Thomson's peak pace can be at 154, Roberts at 148 & Lilee at 145..it seems more accurate.

 

 

 

It's quite possible that the 1979 Speed test was correct.  

 

Thomson was not at his quickest then and clocked 147 k+. At his peak he probably clocked early 150s, which is freakishly quick for that era. 

 

Holding was clocking 141 k in the 1979 test. Quickest balls are often bowled in later spells, so he would probably have gone up to the mid 140s..

 

In that era of no helmets / poor helmets, poor bats, below par protective gears, no practice against bowling machines and slingers with artificial arms etc .... any pacer bowling 135 k to 145 k with steep bounce would feel express. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by express bowling

[SRT100]

One important point to note, it makes Gavaskar's record vs WI and Australia all that more impressive.

 

He faced genuine terrifying deliveries from fast bowlers.

[MediumPacer]

Pitch looks sticky at wankhede.

[MediumPacer]

Hot and humid at mumbai,Cummins off the park

[Rightarmfast]

Like express bowling said, without any safety gears even a 135k bowler can be menacing. While Jeff Thompson would have been a 155-158k's bowler, I doubt all the WI bowlers were hitting 155. But their height and bounce would be very discomforting.

Batsmen perceive pace differently. Wasim at 140'sh was more discomforting than say a Srinath bowling 147ish. Loads of dynamics at play, the height, release, angle, bounce. So, without a proper speedgun, I am not sure how much a batsman would have perceived their pace. 

 

@Vijy @tapandrun, Pakistanis used to say that Zahid was faster than Shoaib. However, Zahid bowled against a weaker Indian team on a dangerous pitch in Canada in Sahara cup. The Indian batsmen never looked uncomfortable facing him on such a venomous pitch. So, I really am not sure how fast he was.

[MediumPacer]

Starc struggling with footholes

[vayuu1]

6 hours ago, Vijy said:

I imagine that thompson did, based on my own viewing. moreover, he was the one people said was by far the fastest -- a freak even compared to WI pacers. so I would think that he was hitting close to 160 at his very peak.

 

of course, I don't buy the rubbish that he was bowling 170 as rod marsh, etc claimed. or that mohd zahid was bowling 170 as PeePee claimed

Not Many now that thompson along with roy Gilchrist,charles cortright and frank Tyson was one of the 4 bowler to hit sight screen on full when the ball hit pitch and hit sight screen 

[MediumPacer]

Azmat doing his job

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

It's quite possible that the 1979 Speed test was correct.  

 

Thomson was not at his quickest then and clocked 147 k+. At his peak he probably clocked early 150s, which is freakishly quick for that era. 

 

Holding was clocking 141 k in the 1979 test. Quickest balls are often bowled in later spells, so he would probably have gone up to the mid 140s..

 

In that era of no helmets / poor helmets, poor bats, below par protective gears, no practice against bowling machines and slingers with artificial arms etc .... any pacer bowling 135 k to 145 k with steep bounce would feel express. 

Yup, and that's why I have no issues if someone says that Thomson can clock early to mid 150's...

Problem is this fascinating where he is portrayed as 160kph bowler which he isn't tbh...Wood bowls 155 and his deliveries look genuinely fast...Thomson on Tv looks no more than 145-147.

 

Marshal was another one who seemed very quick...somewhere at 148-151 kph peak pace. He was the fastest of all Windies bowlers.

Joel Garner seemed slowest, but it was his height which made him a menace.

Edited November 7, 2023 by singhvivek141

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Like express bowling said, without any safety gears even a 135k bowler can be menacing. While Jeff Thompson would have been a 155-158k's bowler, I doubt all the WI bowlers were hitting 155. But their height and bounce would be very discomforting.

Batsmen perceive pace differently. Wasim at 140'sh was more discomforting than say a Srinath bowling 147ish. Loads of dynamics at play, the height, release, angle, bounce. So, without a proper speedgun, I am not sure how much a batsman would have perceived their pace. 

 

@Vijy @tapandrun, Pakistanis used to say that Zahid was faster than Shoaib. However, Zahid bowled against a weaker Indian team on a dangerous pitch in Canada in Sahara cup. The Indian batsmen never looked uncomfortable facing him on such a venomous pitch. So, I really am not sure how fast he was.

Also Shoaib was at his quickest in early to mid 2000s, not in 90s. Shoaib didn't look 150 plus on debut.

[MediumPacer]

even naveen gets lbws

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

Not Many now that thompson along with roy Gilchrist,charles cortright and frank Tyson was one of the 4 bowler to hit sight screen on full when the ball hit pitch and hit sight screen 

most of those cases are apocryphal, and cannot be believed.

 

Seeing thompson toward the end of his career, he was still distinctly faster than most of the other "quicks" of that era

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Like express bowling said, without any safety gears even a 135k bowler can be menacing. While Jeff Thompson would have been a 155-158k's bowler, I doubt all the WI bowlers were hitting 155. But their height and bounce would be very discomforting.

Batsmen perceive pace differently. Wasim at 140'sh was more discomforting than say a Srinath bowling 147ish. Loads of dynamics at play, the height, release, angle, bounce. So, without a proper speedgun, I am not sure how much a batsman would have perceived their pace. 

 

@Vijy @tapandrun, Pakistanis used to say that Zahid was faster than Shoaib. However, Zahid bowled against a weaker Indian team on a dangerous pitch in Canada in Sahara cup. The Indian batsmen never looked uncomfortable facing him on such a venomous pitch. So, I really am not sure how fast he was.

I think Zahid was not more than 150, having seen him in his brief career. the statements about him bowling at 170 are ridiculous, to say the least