Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Need4Speed]

23 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

Bumrah should be rested for third test even if we lose this one

do what Pak did..play with one pacer only..and even dont give him ball..haha

 

so add Kuldeep too..and make full turner..that may negate Boom's absence somewhat..

[express bowling]

Has Akashdeep lost pace ?  From bowling 133 k to 145 k in his debut test and averaging around 137 k ... he was bowling 128 k to 137 k today and in earlier matches. Today his accuracy was missing too. 

 

Earlier we were assuming that he was bowling slower as he was recovering from dengue. But a long time has elapsed and he should be back to near full pace now.

 

Worrying signs ?

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Lone Wolf, @singhvivek141, @rkt.india

[tapandrun]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

Has Akashdeep lost pace ?  From bowling 133 k to 145 k in his debut test and averaging around 137 k ... he was bowling 128 k to 137 k today and in earlier matches. Today his accuracy was missing too. 

 

Earlier we were assuming that he was bowling slower as he was recovering from dengue. But a long time has elapsed and he should be back to near full pace now.

 

Worrying signs ?

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Lone Wolf, @singhvivek141, @rkt.india

In his 1st test akash deep bowled at his t20/ipl speeds-137-144, the speeds rt. now could be more of his realistic tests speeds.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by tapandrun

[iroman]

Guys, has anyone noticed the Pakistan offspinner Sajid Ali? He is taking tons of wickets in Tests.  I never could tell if the arm is straight or not. To me, all I could judge was if the action looked clean or not. Wanted to see if anyone has noticed his action, and if you all think it is clean. I would appreciate any thoughts.

[Mosher]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Has Akashdeep lost pace ?  From bowling 133 k to 145 k in his debut test and averaging around 137 k ... he was bowling 128 k to 137 k today and in earlier matches. Today his accuracy was missing too. 

 

Earlier we were assuming that he was bowling slower as he was recovering from dengue. But a long time has elapsed and he should be back to near full pace now.

 

Worrying signs ?

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Lone Wolf, @singhvivek141, @rkt.india

Yeah bro. Akashdeep has lost pace and Siraj has also lost pace. Worrying signs going into BGT.

[tweaker]

2 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Yeah bro. Akashdeep has lost pace and Siraj has also lost pace. Worrying signs going into BGT.

Are they told to bowl.slow,Mayank was also told to bowl line and length 

[tapandrun]

31 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Yeah bro. Akashdeep has lost pace and Siraj has also lost pace. Worrying signs going into BGT.

can not lose 5-7 kmph in less than 6 months without an injury or niggle.

Either he was pushing in his 1st test match those were v.near to his ipl/t20 speeds and in this test he is back to his natural tests speed or been asked to hold back on pace.

Or v.well could be because pant is nt fully fit and they donot want to spray the ball much that pant has to dive around - -- just a wild wild guess

 

 

During Asia cup (in which ind was unable to make it to the final) Gambhir was critical of Avesh khan's lack or pace as asking if tm has asked him to bowl

bit slow.

 

Siraj has been down on pace for nearly 1/1.5 yrs now. he has declined v.steeply

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, iroman said:

Guys, has anyone noticed the Pakistan offspinner Sajid Ali? He is taking tons of wickets in Tests.  I never could tell if the arm is straight or not. To me, all I could judge was if the action looked clean or not. Wanted to see if anyone has noticed his action, and if you all think it is clean. I would appreciate any thoughts.

frm nkd eye he has clean action but far too much open chested and he does not have a brace leg. if its turning alot side-ways then it has to be pitch or he is able impart alot of revolution on the ball.

 

Before dusra came in as a off-spinner they have be side on to get side-ways spin, when dusra came bowlers had to become a bit open chested  

Edited October 25, 2024 by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Has Akashdeep lost pace ?  From bowling 133 k to 145 k in his debut test and averaging around 137 k ... he was bowling 128 k to 137 k today and in earlier matches. Today his accuracy was missing too. 

 

Earlier we were assuming that he was bowling slower as he was recovering from dengue. But a long time has elapsed and he should be back to near full pace now.

 

Worrying signs ?

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Lone Wolf, @singhvivek141, @rkt.india

 

I think he is quicker than that, but as he isnt playing consistently, the thought at the back of his mind isnt allowing him to go at full tilt.

 

He is more of a 133-140 kph bowler, can push himself to clock 143-144 but that's his peak pace, cant sustain it for longer period. Though, I would raise my concern on the speedometer as well, many deliveries looked quicker to me but only clocked 130-131 on the machine. Not sure how legitimate they are.

 

One good thing is yesterday he was running at full pace, in the Duleep trophy and the previous test vs Ban, his runup was slower. 

[iroman]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

frm nkd eye he has clean action but far too much open chested and he does not have a brace leg. if its turning alot side-ways then it has to be pitch or he is able impart alot of revolution on the ball.

 

Before dusra came in as a off-spinner they have be side on to get side-ways spin, when dusra came bowlers had to become a bit open chested  

Thanks, for the explanation.  In that case, hats off to him.  He is grabbing wickets for fun.  Pakistan may have found a seriously good spinner after a long time.

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, iroman said:

Thanks, for the explanation.  In that case, hats off to him.  He is grabbing wickets for fun.  Pakistan may have found a seriously good spinner after a long time.

more likely its the pitch than the bowler what abt other spinners are they getting same kind of purchase 

[Suhaan]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Has Akashdeep lost pace ?  From bowling 133 k to 145 k in his debut test and averaging around 137 k ... he was bowling 128 k to 137 k today and in earlier matches. Today his accuracy was missing too. 

 

Earlier we were assuming that he was bowling slower as he was recovering from dengue. But a long time has elapsed and he should be back to near full pace now.

 

Worrying signs ?

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Lone Wolf, @singhvivek141, @rkt.india

It was natural,i already said his pace will only deteriorate with that action

He looses quite a much there

[Suhaan]

After Bharat Arun, Indian pace attack has certainly regresses a lot

With Bumrah on the verge of decline due to age,we will stoop low further

We were lucky enough to have a rising Umesh,Shami,Ishant alongwith Bumrah together well guided by Arun

There will be massive hole after Bumrah with no able replacement for him all the time wasted on Mukesh,Avesh etc adds to it

 

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

After Bharat Arun, Indian pace attack has certainly regresses a lot

With Bumrah on the verge of decline due to age,we will stoop low further

We were lucky enough to have a rising Umesh,Shami,Ishant alongwith Bumrah together well guided by Arun

There will be massive hole after Bumrah with no able replacement for him all the time wasted on Mukesh,Avesh etc adds to it

 

 

We have to actually play Harshit and then Mayank ASAP. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by express bowling

[MK55]

I am honestly not that impressed with Akashdeep. Partly because I’ve been spoilt by a 4-7 year younger Shami. 
He doesn’t have the pace of Umesh in home conditions (in his prime) which could have helped reversing. Also, he doesn’t have that nip off the surface that Shami brings in.

He reminds me of the mediocrity we  manufactured in the past.

His first test’s speeds is an aberration . I’ve never heard him being a quick bowler at any stage in his career. This is more the normal or rather expected. 
These idiots should have tried Harshit by now at the bare minimum instead of persisting with a lost cause like Siraj. 
 

Anyways he deserves a few games as I feel he’s an upgrade over the current Siraj at least. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by MK55

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, MK55 said:

I am honestly not that impressed with Akashdeep. . I’ve never heard him being a quick bowler at any stage in his career. This is more the normal or rather expected. 
 

 

 

Akashdeep has always been a Fast-medium pacer. Neither medium pace nor quick.

 

130 to 140 / 141 k was always expected from him even in FC. 

 

He is bowling 3 k to 4 k slower than his average speed range of the past. Now he is operating at Mukesh / Unadkat level. 

[MK55]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Akashdeep has always been a Fast-medium pacer. Neither medium pace nor quick.

 

130 to 140 / 141 k was always expected from him even in FC. 

 

He is bowling 3 k to 4 k slower than his average speed range of the past. Now he is operating at Mukesh / Unadkat level. 

Does he bowl at 137 average speed in first class cricket?

Or is he more like the 135 types, in which case he’s not that off. 

[singhvivek141]

24 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Does he bowl at 137 average speed in first class cricket?

Or is he more like the 135 types, in which case he’s not that off. 

 

29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Akashdeep has always been a Fast-medium pacer. Neither medium pace nor quick.

 

130 to 140 / 141 k was always expected from him even in FC. 

 

He is bowling 3 k to 4 k slower than his average speed range of the past. Now he is operating at Mukesh / Unadkat level. 

Let's hope Akashdeep pulls up his socks and do something.
I am 100% sure, Akashdeep's success will keep Mukesh at bay. If Akashdeep fails, the lobby will jump back to their "wonder boy" and will start backing him in all formats.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

Does he bowl at 137 average speed in first class cricket?

Or is he more like the 135 types, in which case he’s not that off. 

 

In all probability Akash used to average around 135 k in FC. But averaging 131  - 133 k nowadays. 

 

137 k to 139 k Average speed in test matches is fast .. genuine express pacers average 140 k to 143 k in tests overall. ( not talking about 1 or 2 quickest innings ).

Edited October 25, 2024 by express bowling

[MK55]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

In all probability Akash used to averages around 135 k in FC. But averaging 131  - 133 k nowadays. 

 

137 k to 139 k Average speed in test matches is fast .. genuine express pacer average 140 k to 143 k in tests overall. ( not talking about 1 or 2 quickest innings ).

I haven’t watched a lot of him since he’s come back. But if he’s averaging 131k ish that’s absolutely embarrassing. Even lower than what I was expecting his long term average to be.