Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Why can't they take all the potential fast bowlers to a clinic arrange guest visits across the countries have them re focus. Whatever happened to that scholarship which currently serves no purpose.  India needs more and more fast bowlers. One of the biggest contribution of Bumrah is to inspire a lot of players to take up fast bowling> For now they imiate his action. But overall they try to bowl fast.  We need more such heroes coming through to inspire a lot of people. Even girls copy Bumrah nowadays

 

 

Right now the issue is not that Ind bowlers does not have pace , but the issue here is pace is not appreciated or promoted .

 

Line and length should not be a skill but an intergral part , where else its been shown as some kind of skill in Ind cricketing system.

 

Need to remove those experts and commentators who hates/does not promote pace bowling. Remove sub 135 kmph bowlers who are no good for intnl level.

If you do not promote pace not fast bowling but pace you will keep finding run of the mill no good fast bowlers.

 

How come faster bowlers not playing in domestic and not getting games....???

 

There are 36 domestic sides, if somehow Ind makes it mandate that only 140 kmph bowlers makes into playing 11 else they need to be v.tall or bat properly then there will be easily 8-10 v.good intnl bowler present in the system at anytime. 

 

every other system weeds out the not so fast bowlers and promotes faster ones, its opposite in ind cricketing system

 

 

 

Edited January 5 by tapandrun

[Lord]

12 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Attitude,too much tinkering with his action has messed his mind

 

That's on the NCA and the coaches

[Need4Speed]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Is this guy in the news ?

 

 

why is DK batting :D

[Need4Speed]

15 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Right now the issue is not that Ind bowlers does not have pace , but the issue here is pace is not appreciated or promoted .

 

Line and length should not be a skill but an intergral part , where else its been shown as some kind of skill in Ind cricketing system.

 

Need to remove those experts and commentators who hates/does not promote pace bowling. Remove sub 135 kmph bowlers who are no good for intnl level.

If you do not promote pace not fast bowling but pace you will keep finding run of the mill no good fast bowlers.

 

How come faster bowlers not playing in domestic and not getting games....???

 

There are 36 domestic sides, if somehow Ind makes it mandate that only 140 kmph bowlers makes into playing 11 else they need to be v.tall or bat properly then there will be easily 8-10 v.good intnl bowler present in the system at anytime. 

 

every other system weeds out the not so fast bowlers and promotes faster ones, its opposite in ind cricketing system

 

 

 

our domestic sides..are so pathetic in pace deptt..that they are even bowling slower that SA U19 guys I saw in HLs today..

[Lord]

13 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Right now the issue is not that Ind bowlers does not have pace , but the issue here is pace is not appreciated or promoted .

 

Line and length should not be a skill but an intergral part , where else its been shown as some kind of skill in Ind cricketing system.

 

Need to remove those experts and commentators who hates/does not promote pace bowling. Remove sub 135 kmph bowlers who are no good for intnl level.

If you do not promote pace not fast bowling but pace you will keep finding run of the mill no good fast bowlers.

 

How come faster bowlers not playing in domestic and not getting games....???

 

There are 36 domestic sides, if somehow Ind makes it mandate that only 140 kmph bowlers makes into playing 11 else they need to be v.tall or bat properly then there will be easily 8-10 v.good intnl bowler present in the system at anytime. 

 

every other system weeds out the not so fast bowlers and promotes faster ones, its opposite in ind cricketing system

 

 

 

 

Don't think such a rule can be made. But certainly can be done by encouraging them more. We had a emerging fast bowling pool I think

 

Its because of the pitches that trundlers are preferred. They can bowl longer spells and can remain fit. Spinners are seen as main wicket takers.

 

 Firstly we need a better fitness system that can work with fast bowlers. Currently they spend more time injured

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

why is DK batting :D

Probably  auditioning ?

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Don't think such a rule can be made. But certainly can be done by encouraging them more. We had a emerging fast bowling pool I think

 

Its because of the pitches that trundlers are preferred. They can bowl longer spells and can remain fit. Spinners are seen as main wicket takers.

 

 Firstly we need a better fitness system that can work with fast bowlers. Currently they spend more time injured

 

Think they did something like this in the current season, alot of faster bowlers who were on back-burner or not getting chances in playing 11 got it.

 

Ashok, Mishra, Yarra, Gurnoor, Umran, Sen... etc all got matches most of these bowlers were left out previously.

 

it not that hard there are faster bowlers in most of sides but they donot get chances. And no one can remain fast for a long time in domestic forget remaining fast when they are not getting chances to play even at domestic level.. 

 

yes in ranji's not sure how that can be done , the spinners are main wkt takers and those trundlers are just there to make the ball old and take up few wkts at the top and not to give away many runs..

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

 

Think they did something like this in the current season, alot of faster bowlers who were on back-burner or not getting chances in playing 11 got it.

 

Ashok, Mishra, Yarra, Gurnoor, Umran, Sen... etc all got matches most of these bowlers were left out previously.

 

it not that hard there are faster bowlers in most of sides but they donot get chances. And no one can remain fast for a long time in domestic forget remaining fast when they are not getting chances to play even at domestic level.. 

 

yes in ranji's not sure how that can be done , the spinners are main wkt takers and those trundlers are just there to make the ball old and take up few wkts at the top and not to give away many runs..

 

 

 

 

 

Yes we need to fast track them. Due to IPL, Umran, Mayank played for India but got injured soon. If they remain fit it will give them more exposure

 

Sad thing is we don't even use filler bilateral series to play young guys including pacers.

 

NZ is sending a B team now whereas out attack is Harshit,Prasidh,Siraj. Not one new guy

[Need4Speed]

59 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Probably  auditioning ?

no idea..I just hope these guys have not uploaded some old video from the archives and are showing up as a fresh video..

[AKane]

47 minutes ago, Lord said:

NZ is sending a B team now whereas out attack is Harshit,Prasidh,Siraj. Not one new guy

I thought Harshit and Prasidh, esp Harshit, are new guys.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, AKane said:

I thought Harshit and Prasidh, esp Harshit, are new guys.

 

I meant no new debutant

[Need4Speed]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

 

I meant no new debutant

shhh..they will send Kamboj and Gurjapneet.. :D

 

on a more serious note..they dont know what to do..as they have to  wait for ipl performances for new bolwers :D

Edited January 6 by Need4Speed

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

That's on the NCA and the coaches

He has been changing action in every 3 months ,not sure which coach recommends that?

[Suhaan]

8 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Yes we need to fast track them. Due to IPL, Umran, Mayank played for India but got injured soon. If they remain fit it will give them more exposure

 

Sad thing is we don't even use filler bilateral series to play young guys including pacers.

 

NZ is sending a B team now whereas out attack is Harshit,Prasidh,Siraj. Not one new guy

Due to 3 formats and ICC chewt policy of having main events every year has meant less bilaterals for each format or even if there are ample games ,sides use it to bring maximum gametime to their main unit

Yes,these Odis should have been used to test your bench-next crop

With Rohit and Kohli still there ,they have decided further not to give chances anymore so as to get them ready for upcoming CWC,which is anyway not best of the decisions 

[express bowling]

20 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Why can't they take all the potential fast bowlers to a clinic arrange guest visits across the countries have them re focus. Whatever happened to that scholarship which currently serves no purpose.  India needs more and more fast bowlers. One of the biggest contribution of Bumrah is to inspire a lot of players to take up fast bowling> For now they imiate his action. But overall they try to bowl fast.  We need more such heroes coming through to inspire a lot of people. Even girls copy Bumrah nowadays

 

 

This girl is bowling very quickly. Impressed  !

 

Hope she is nurtured and trained properly. 

[express bowling]

20 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Right now the issue is not that Ind bowlers does not have pace , but the issue here is pace is not appreciated or promoted .

 

Line and length should not be a skill but an intergral part , where else its been shown as some kind of skill in Ind cricketing system.

 

Need to remove those experts and commentators who hates/does not promote pace bowling. Remove sub 135 kmph bowlers who are no good for intnl level.

If you do not promote pace not fast bowling but pace you will keep finding run of the mill no good fast bowlers.

 

How come faster bowlers not playing in domestic and not getting games....???

 

There are 36 domestic sides, if somehow Ind makes it mandate that only 140 kmph bowlers makes into playing 11 else they need to be v.tall or bat properly then there will be easily 8-10 v.good intnl bowler present in the system at anytime. 

 

every other system weeds out the not so fast bowlers and promotes faster ones, its opposite in ind cricketing system

 

 

 

 

 

Superb post bhai !

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

This girl is bowling very quickly. Impressed  !

 

Hope she is nurtured and trained properly. 

Bumrah's strength is his wrist snap. All the other guys run twice faster than Bumrah. Bumrah clocks the lowest among the  run up speed. 18 km/h or something. Others  have 25km/h range. But wrist snap speed of Bumrah is over 70. That is more than Archer's and Starc's. Infact Bumrah's wrist snap speed is the bench mark. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bumrah's strength is his wrist snap. All the other guys run twice faster than Bumrah. Bumrah clocks the lowest among the  run up speed. 18 km/h or something. Others  have 25km/h range. But wrist snap speed of Bumrah is over 70. That is more than Archer's and Starc's. Infact Bumrah's wrist snap speed is the bench mark. 

 

Not talking about her resemblance to Bumrah's action.

 

The result that I am seeing is pretty impressive. She is looking quicker than most others her age or even age 20+ women.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Not talking about her resemblance to Bumrah's action.

 

The result that I am seeing is pretty impressive. She is looking quicker than most others her age or even age 20+ women.

Definitely loading is much better than some of the bowlers we have now. Renuka for instance

[AKane]

12 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He has been changing action in every 3 months ,not sure which coach recommends that?

There should be a ban on action change attempts. Even action tweaks should be forbidden.

 

If the action is legal, leave it alone.

 

These guys if they had got hold of Malcolm Marshall in 1979, they would have tried to make a Bhuvaneshwar out of him. Marshall's action was hardly conventional but was at least more effective than Bhuvaneshwar. Heck it was more effective than Lillee.

 

Edited January 6 by AKane