Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

18 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Another mistake yash is more odi test bowl and we don't need to risk Mayank in odi should give him long rope in t20 

They have to play Mayank in ODIs sooner than later anyways so no harm in doing that with WC in mind 

 

I think Siraj is done for even in ODIs and they won't select him ever.

 

Bumrah Prasidh Gurnoor and Mayank maybe the 4 quicks as Rana is injured once more.

[tapandrun]

Think this tm wants to take bhumrah,siraj,Pradish,Grunoor,Arsh, Rana to the wc may be 4 out of these 6. 

 

 

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bro, suddenly there is something  wrong somewhere regarding selection of new quick pacers.

 

They are being ignored and removed from every squad  [ T20I, India A Test, India A ODIs and Duleep Trophy ].

 

 

 

They are taking asn games too seriously not sure why ?? else they would have tried newer players. May be wanting to give Iyer a full team showing faith in him.

 

Look at all the emerging/A tours any format they have been sending these players only -- Thakur/Gurjap/Kamboj/Vaishak/DeshPandey. 

 

This is nothing new in this. Why are they picking them ??? Not sure. 

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Saw folks saying Mayank Yadav will get picked in WI ODIs along with Prince and that's why Thakur was picked for these T20s and Asian games 

 

 

It will be great if it happens. 

 

Want to see Mayank in ODIs and then test matches more than T20Is. 

 

But Tyagi should have got a chance in T20Is then.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:41 PM by express bowling

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Think this tm wants to take bhumrah,siraj,Pradish,Grunoor,Arsh, Rana to the wc may be 4 out of these 6. 

 

 

 

 

I think, for WC 27, the TM want 

 

Bumrah

Gurnoor 

Prasidh 

Arshdeep 

Harshit

 

 

[tapandrun]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

It will be great if it happens. 

 

Want to see Mayank in ODIs and then test matches more than T20s. 

 

But Tyagi should have got a chance in T20Is then.

 

 

tyagi needs to play domestic, all he is playing are upt20 and ipl , no domestic inbetween

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

GG ....  I don't think he would ever opt for trundlers. I don't think he will intentionally put down a genuine quickie. If I am not wrong, he has been vocal about getting quick bowlers.

 

 

I agree.

 

GG likes tall fast bowlers with pace and bounce.

 

There were reports that he wanted Gurnoor in the 2nd test but Gill wanted Siraj.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

tyagi needs to play domestic, all he is playing are upt20 and ipl , no domestic inbetween

 

After Tyagi's resurgence in IPL 2026, the only domestic matches available were Duleep Trophy games. And he was not picked there.

 

Plus Mayank got a chance in Zim after IPL but not Tyagi.

 

 

[rollingstoned]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

Let's say you are the Indian Team Coach ....

 

You need 3 pacers for a SENA test that is a must win for you.

 

You have only 2 existing pacers available for selection  .... say Gurnoor and 127 kph Siraj.

 

[  Bumrah can play only 3 tests and is resting in this  test ]

 

Let's say Prasidh has fever and can't play this test.  Akashdeep is not fit yet and is not in the squad.

 

Your options are the pacers selected for India A Red ball squad.

 

Kamboj

Deshpande

Hinge 

Vyshak 

 

How comfortable will you be choosing any of them  ?  After all, that is the purpose of choosing any A-team squad.

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @tapandrun, @tweaker, @Rightarmfast, @MK55, @rollingstoned, @Need4Speed @bouncers, @Malcolm Merlyn, @Manucrick, @vishalvirsingh

 

 

 

 

 

That is an associate level attack. Actually even Zimboks have better options than those journeymen. 

[Need4Speed]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Let's say you are the Indian Team Coach ....

 

You need 3 pacers for a SENA test that is a must win for you.

 

You have only 2 existing pacers available for selection  .... say Gurnoor and 127 kph Siraj.

 

[  Bumrah can play only 3 tests and is resting in this  test ]

 

Let's say Prasidh has fever and can't play this test.  Akashdeep is not fit yet and is not in the squad.

 

Your options are the pacers selected for India A Red ball squad.

 

Kamboj

Deshpande

Hinge 

Vyshak 

 

How comfortable will you be choosing any of them  ?  After all, that is the purpose of choosing any A-team squad.

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @tapandrun, @tweaker, @Rightarmfast, @MK55, @rollingstoned, @Need4Speed @bouncers, @Malcolm Merlyn, @Manucrick, @vishalvirsingh

 

 

 

 

 

Very much comfortable with these options as who needs the poor bowlers who can bowl at high pace and get extra bounce and movement..those are rubbish outdated skills..

Edited Thursday at 04:13 PM by Need4Speed

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

After Tyagi's resurgence in IPL 2026, the only domestic matches available were Duleep Trophy games. And he was not picked there.

 

Plus Mayank got a chance in Zim after IPL but not Tyagi.

 

 

Mayank's case is diff. Mayank is on NCA/TM work management plan. They see him as proper 150+ kmph bowler.

 

Tyagi has to show that he wants to play domestic, he turns up in upt20 and Ipls only. He was called in Nca that should be a motivating factor. if he plays a complete season his chances will be really high.

[Need4Speed]

Btw..why Mayank Yadav wasnt selected and Yash Thakur was selected as a replacement of Harshit Rana @express bowling

 

May be for Indian selectors Yash Thakur was MOS

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I think, for WC 27, the TM want 

 

Bumrah

Gurnoor 

Prasidh 

Arshdeep 

Harshit

 

 

 

Do not think both harshit and gurnoor will go. siraj has bigger chance as they will not want to go to wc with just one exp. bowler. can not trust anyone else to 2nd lead of the pack.

 

[tapandrun]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

Let's say you are the Indian Team Coach ....

 

You need 3 pacers for a SENA test that is a must win for you.

 

You have only 2 existing pacers available for selection  .... say Gurnoor and 127 kph Siraj.

 

[  Bumrah can play only 3 tests and is resting in this  test ]

 

Let's say Prasidh has fever and can't play this test.  Akashdeep is not fit yet and is not in the squad.

 

Your options are the pacers selected for India A Red ball squad.

 

Kamboj

Deshpande

Hinge 

Vyshak 

 

How comfortable will you be choosing any of them  ?  After all, that is the purpose of choosing any A-team squad.

 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @Lone Wolf, @tapandrun, @tweaker, @Rightarmfast, @MK55, @rollingstoned, @Need4Speed @bouncers, @Malcolm Merlyn, @Manucrick, @vishalvirsingh

 

 

 

 

 

Already mentioned none of them are high potential test bowlers.

 

Do not think they are even at Shardul's level . And shardul is not a high bar but he can hold bat none of these can even hold bat.

 

The only option as a coach is tell batters you will need to out bat the opp. does not matter batting 1st or batting 2nd.

 

 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I think, for WC 27, the TM want 

 

Bumrah

Gurnoor 

Prasidh 

Arshdeep 

Harshit

 

 

Bharibojh is their real enforcer ,they want an enforcer like him in SA to recreate Brett Lee 2003 version 5.0

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Tyagi yes, Sakib meh, Thakur is quicker probably.

 

BCCI or selectors might have some issues with Tyagi otherwise nothing justifies his omission from even India A.

 

This guy was about to play Gabba test in 2021.. now he is nowhere close to Indian team for God knows what reasons 

Sakib as much as he has played this season he has shown enough tricks needed in t20s ,has deceptive slower ones ,cutters and decent shapish pace to survive this format,looked better than overrated Prince

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

Do not think both harshit and gurnoor will go. siraj has bigger chance as they will not want to go to wc with just one exp. bowler. can not trust anyone else to 2nd lead of the pack.

 

 

Harshit is No.8. bowling allrounder.

 

Should not compete with Gurnoor, who is being used as a middle over enforcer by TM. Harshit, with a string of 3 recent injuries, can't be an enforcer now. 

 

If Siraj goes, he should replace either Arshdeep or Prasidh, both of whom are being used as new ball bowlers by TM.

 

 

■■  TMs assigned roles in recent ODIs ....

 

■  New ball bowlers  .... 

 

Bumrah 

Prasidh 

Arshdeep 

Siraj  ( not played recently )

 

■  Middle over enforcer 

 

Gurnoor 

 

■  Death over bowler

 

Bumrah

Arshdeep 

Harshit

 

■  No.8 bowling allrounder 

 

Harshit 

 

 

Which means

 

Bumrah 

Gurnoor 

Arshdeep 

Harshit 

 

must be there to cover different roles.

 

And only one among Prasidh or Siraj can be there.

 

This logic must be followed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

 

the CoE is actively using its specialized development plan to manage and transition highly-rated, high-pace bowlers back into national contention.

 

 

 

 

Indian fast bowler Kartik Tyagi has been placed under the close monitoring and development framework of the BCCI’s Centre of Excellence (CoE)—the newly re-branded and upgraded National Cricket Academy (NCA). Headed by VVS Laxman, [1, 2]

The primary objectives and recent milestones within his CoE development plan include:

• Injury Management & Resurgence: After suffering multiple long-term injury setbacks that sidelined his career, the CoE tailored a specific workload and fitness schedule to help him safely regain his express speed (consistently hitting between 145kph and 153kph). [1, 2]

• Skill Refinement & Variation: Following a breakthrough season with the Kolkata Knight Riders in IPL 2026 where he took 18 wickets, the CoE plan focuses on broadening his arsenal—shifting from relying purely on raw pace to refining slower-ball variations and death-overs execution. [1]

• International Exposure Assignment: As a direct result of his progress monitored by CoE Head VVS Laxman, Tyagi (alongside fellow pacers Mayank Yadav and Mohsin Khan) has been selected by the BCCI to travel to Tokyo, Japan, on September 19, 2026. He will serve as an official net bowler for the Indian men's cricket team during their multi-sport campaign, providing him with vital top-tier competitive exposure. [1, 2]

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Harshit is No.8. bowling allrounder.

 

Should not compete with Gurnoor, who is being used as a middle over enforcer by TM. Harshit, with a string of 3 recent injuries, can't be an enforcer now. 

 

If Siraj goes, he should replace either Arshdeep or Prasidh, both of whom are being used as new ball bowlers by TM.

 

 

■■  TMs assigned roles in recent ODIs ....

 

■  New ball bowlers  .... 

 

Bumrah 

Prasidh 

Arshdeep 

Siraj  ( not played recently )

 

■  Middle over enforcer 

 

Gurnoor 

 

■  Death over bowler

 

Bumrah

Arshdeep 

Harshit

 

■  No.8 bowling allrounder 

 

Harshit 

 

 

Which means

 

Bumrah 

Gurnoor 

Arshdeep 

Harshit 

 

must be there to cover different roles.

 

And only one among Prasidh or Siraj can be there.

 

This logic must be followed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have been developing pradish for this wc, he is playing all 3 formats for a reason. they want him in the wc.

With lack of exp. do not think that they would want either(gurnoor or pradish ) of them be the 2nd pacer. Siraj will be added to the side , the toss-up will be Gurnoor or  Rana. Arsh will be for LA varity.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 08:48 PM by tapandrun

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

They have been developing pradish for this wc, he is playing all 3 formats for a reason. they want him in the wc.

With lack of exp. do not think that they would want either(gurnoor or pradish ) of them be the 2nd pacer. Siraj will be added to the side , the toss-up will be Gurnoor or  Rana. Arsh will be for LA varity.

 

 

 

Problem with having both Prasidh and Siraj in the playing 11 in ODIs is that none of them have death bowling skills. Siraj is not a middle over enforcer either.

 

Siraj's inclusion in the 11 only makes sense if Bumrah is unavailable and they need some experience. But Siraj is not that experienced in ODIs either.