putrevus Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 ^^ it is not rehashing and you don't have to care. I don't think it is just about Murali or Ajmal, it is about Bhajji and Ohja too.I don't think they were tested thoroughly in match situations and this 15 degrees is a joke. These guys who have suspect actions need to be tested real time in matches for 4 or five matches and their bills have to be sent to their respective boards if either of them are unwilling to do it , the player gets banned it should be as simple as that, no chucking allowed by any player. We don't want players cheating the system to gain advantage and spoil the game by this ugly chucking.
Crookbond Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Please note that lab testing or match testing doesn't matter. We don't have the technology (yet) for real-time match testing. Once we have it, I am all for it. You have to bowl EXACTLY like you have bowled in the match during the lab tests. If you don't, you will be found out like Senanayeke. My point was simple - Senanayeke failed the exact same tests Ajmal or Murali cleared. You either believe in those tests (call Senanayake a chucker) or you don't (call Senanayeke a good bowler). You can't have it both ways.
sourab10forever Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Deserves it....mabye the 3rd warning he got?????or was it the 4th:clap::clap:
Brainfade Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 He never really bowled. Strictly speaking, that is.
panther Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Senanyake should have been smart enough to stay within the limits during the test.
Stuge Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Please note that lab testing or match testing doesn't matter. We don't have the technology (yet) for real-time match testing. Once we have it, I am all for it. You have to bowl EXACTLY like you have bowled in the match during the lab tests. If you don't, you will be found out like Senanayeke. My point was simple - Senanayeke failed the exact same tests Ajmal or Murali cleared. You either believe in those tests (call Senanayake a chucker) or you don't (call Senanayeke a good bowler). You can't have it both ways. murali was made to clear those test with the help of amending rules in the rule book .:cantstop::cantstop::giggle:
Crookbond Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 murali was made to clear those test with the help of amending rules in the rule book .:cantstop::cantstop::giggle: .. after ICC found out that all the "great" yesteryear bowlers did the same as Murali. A better understanding of the scientific reasons to change your outlook is not a kaanspiracy.
Brainfade Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 murali was made to clear those test with the help of amending rules in the rule book .:cantstop::cantstop::giggle: They mean bending the rules?
Gunner Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Senanyake should have been smart enough to stay within the limits during the test. Like Ajmal bhaijaan :giggle:
Mahaa Raavana Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 I just don't get this crazy obsession of trying to get rid of these remarkably talented bowlers just because they straighten their arms a wee bit.What harm are they doing ?These guys make this ridiculously batsmen favoured game watchable with their wonderful variations. How is it a crime? The art of spin bowling is dying all over the world with stupid rules like using 2 new balls & having just 4 fielders outside 30 yards.Exceptional talents like Ajmal, Sena, Bhajji etc. should be admired for keeping the role of spinners relevant in this new age, not crucified...
SLICKR392 Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 I just don't get this crazy obsession of trying to get rid of these remarkably talented bowlers just because they straighten their arms a wee bit.What harm are they doing ?These guys make this ridiculously batsmen favoured game watchable with their wonderful variations. How is it a crime? The art of spin bowling is dying all over the world with stupid rules like using 2 new balls & having just 4 fielders outside 30 yards.Exceptional talents like Ajmal' date= Sena, Bhajji etc. should be admired for keeping the role of spinners relevant in this new age, not crucified... I usually don't, but I do agree with him here. :giggle:
Lord Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 I usually don't' date=' but I do agree with him here. :giggle:[/quote'] why?
maniac Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Maha raavana making sense.....I need more coffee to wake me up :blink: but still chucking should be not allowed....never liked the 15 degree rule...really stupid.
SLICKR392 Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 why? Look at all those shots a batsman is allowed to play. Switch-hit? That shouldn't even be allowed in the game. Imagine a field set for a right handed batsman, he switches his stance and completely refashions the entire field setup. But if this guy and Bhajji are accused, Ajmal shouldn't get any benefit from this either. Overall, it's totally unfair to the bowlers if the batsmen are allowed to juggle around with their stance.
CSK Fan Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Senanyake should have been smart enough to stay within the limits during the test. You can't as they superimpose your action during the test with that of the actual match and call it out if they don't match up
Lord Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Look at all those shots a batsman is allowed to play. Switch-hit? That shouldn't even be allowed in the game. Imagine a field set for a right handed batsman, he switches his stance and completely refashions the entire field setup. But if this guy and Bhajji are accused, Ajmal shouldn't get any benefit from this either. Overall, it's totally unfair to the bowlers if the batsmen are allowed to juggle around with their stance. Then ban those shots as well.Two wrongs dont make a right.I only have problem with switch hit btw as for all others field is relevant.And batsmen is reacting to various variations of bowler too. Chucking is totally different.
thongale Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 so you think Murali or Ajmal never exceeded that 15 degrees in matches??? this is just a sample from one match for this guy. if you see those pictures you can clearly see arms are much more straighter in test conditions. Both Ajmal and Murali must have done the same.Murali even did it in a brace, and still the action looked similar. So he is out of the qustion. Second point though, even bowlers with so called "clean" actions may chuck it when they are trying hard. So lab tests are not going to be 100% fool proof. But it is 100 times better than ridiculous judgements made bu naked eye.
thongale Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 ^^ it is not rehashing and you don't have to care. I don't think it is just about Murali or Ajmal, it is about Bhajji and Ohja too.I don't think they were tested thoroughly in match situations and this 15 degrees is a joke. These guys who have suspect actions need to be tested real time in matches for 4 or five matches and their bills have to be sent to their respective boards if either of them are unwilling to do it , the player gets banned it should be as simple as that, no chucking allowed by any player. We don't want players cheating the system to gain advantage and spoil the game by this ugly chucking.Why only these giuys? Test everyone. McGrath and Pollock had it around 12 degrees, and there will be plenty of "clean" bowlers going over the limit regulary on match situations. Dodgy decisions made by naked eye on dodgyness of the actions should not be a factor to test a player. We ask ICC to to bite the bullet and test everyone during match situations. We could see some prurists running naked around the cities on the day ICC does that.
Marco Polo Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 I just don't get this crazy obsession of trying to get rid of these remarkably talented bowlers just because they straighten their arms a wee bit.What harm are they doing ?These guys make this ridiculously batsmen favoured game watchable with their wonderful variations. How is it a crime? The art of spin bowling is dying all over the world with stupid rules like using 2 new balls & having just 4 fielders outside 30 yards.Exceptional talents like Ajmal' date=' Sena, Bhajji etc. should be admired for keeping the role of spinners relevant in this new age, not crucified...[/quote'] This is cricket, not baseball. If you want to have fair contest between bat and ball, increase the boundary size, don't allow bats with bigger edges. Allow 3 bouncers per over. But don't encourage chuckers. It spoils the spirit of the game and you are basically cheating which should never be allowed. Never.
Marco Polo Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Maha raavana making sense.....I need more coffee to wake me up :blink: but still chucking should be not allowed....never liked the 15 degree rule...really stupid. he is not making any effing sense. He just wants chuckers to continue without anyone checking. We are playing cricket not baseball. Bowling is a beautiful art. Don't spoil it by allowing chuckers to continue. They should be banned right away.
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